Immigration Crackdown Worries Employers

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Immigration Crackdown Worries Employers


Aug 10, 6:24 PM (ET)

By JULIANA BARBASSA



SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - Farmers and other employers who rely heavily on immigrant labor said Friday that they could be driven out of business by the Bush administration's plans to crack down on workers whose Social Security numbers do not match their names, and businesses that hire them.

Administration officials said the stepped-up enforcement would begin in 30 days.

"Everyone's very anxious," said Paul Schlegel, director of public policy for the American Farm Bureau Federation. "We're heading into the busiest time of the year for agriculture, so you're going to see a lot of worry from farmers and employers about how you deal with this."

The industry group, which represents 75 percent of U.S. farmers, estimates at least half the nation's 1 million farm workers do not have valid Social Security numbers. Losing them would devastate the industry, particularly fruit and vegetable growers, which rely heavily on manual labor, farmers said.

Other businesses that count on large numbers of illegal workers include construction, janitorial and landscaping companies, and hotels and restaurants.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070810/D8QUEC581.html
 
uscitizen said:
Immigration Crackdown Worries Employers


Aug 10, 6:24 PM (ET)

By JULIANA BARBASSA



SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - Farmers and other employers who rely heavily on immigrant labor said Friday that they could be driven out of business by the Bush administration's plans to crack down on workers whose Social Security numbers do not match their names, and businesses that hire them.

Administration officials said the stepped-up enforcement would begin in 30 days.

"Everyone's very anxious," said Paul Schlegel, director of public policy for the American Farm Bureau Federation. "We're heading into the busiest time of the year for agriculture, so you're going to see a lot of worry from farmers and employers about how you deal with this."

The industry group, which represents 75 percent of U.S. farmers, estimates at least half the nation's 1 million farm workers do not have valid Social Security numbers. Losing them would devastate the industry, particularly fruit and vegetable growers, which rely heavily on manual labor, farmers said.

Other businesses that count on large numbers of illegal workers include construction, janitorial and landscaping companies, and hotels and restaurants.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070810/D8QUEC581.html
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This is no more than a band-aid approach. and as stated is quite unfair, and will bring damage top th industry. before they do this, they need to have an adeguate Identification system for the immigrants.
 
doniston said:
This is no more than a band-aid approach. and as stated is quite unfair, and will bring damage top th industry. before they do this, they need to have an adeguate Identification system for the immigrants.
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Like microchips in all of us? see how you're such an ignorant monkey?
 
aren't there laws in this country about hiring people who are not qualified to work here. if a company hires these unqualified people have they broken the law? seems to me its pretty much cut and dried. If I run a red light do I get a second chance to go back and stop for it and my crime has been forgiven, hell no. dont do the crime if you cant do the time.
 
Crashk said:
aren't there laws in this country about hiring people who are not qualified to work here. if a company hires these unqualified people have they broken the law? seems to me its pretty much cut and dried. If I run a red light do I get a second chance to go back and stop for it and my crime has been forgiven, hell no. dont do the crime if you cant do the time.
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Yes. They're committing identity theft, and it goes massively ignored. REAL ID and microchips is not the solution.



The solution is ENFORCE THE BORDER.
 
AssHatZombie said:
Like microchips in all of us? see how you're such an ignorant monkey?
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it was YOUR ignorance which suggested that, not mine. I was referring to Photo IDs. Why don't you use your head instead of just typing willy-nilly?
 
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Crashk said:
aren't there laws in this country about hiring people who are not qualified to work here. if a company hires these unqualified people have they broken the law? seems to me its pretty much cut and dried. If I run a red light do I get a second chance to go back and stop for it and my crime has been forgiven, hell no. dont do the crime if you cant do the time.
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I agree, but the US Gov is not set up to enforce those laws properly.(hopefully, that will change.)
 
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doniston said:
it was YOUR ignorance which suggested that, not mine. I was referring to Photo ODs. Why don't you use your head instead of just typing willy-nilly?
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They could enforce this now with no technology improvements. They won't stop at photos. COunt on it. WHy don't you think a little before you fall into their traps.
 
If employers send in ss's that are found to be wrong, they ARE NOT ALLOWED TO NOT HIRE THEM, and nothing is done.
 
doniston said:
If you haven't noticed, this thread is about changing that very fact.
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IDIOTSTICK, the fix they and you are proposing, will lead to chipping. WE don't NEED more technology. We need a will to enforce laws already on the books, they are sufficient. They're making you clamor for big brother style regulation of your life, and you're doing it loud and proud, like a trained monkey.
 
we dont have an illegal immigration problem, we have an illegal hiring problem. when illegals come here and cant get work they'll go home and fix their own damn country.

as far as big agriculture goes, its about time they quit relying on slave labor. yea, its gonna hurt their porfits and we will end up paying a few cents more for their produce but the overall benefits to society and our economy will offset this many times over.

(i feel the corporatist on this site coming at me on this one, like zombies)
 
Crashk said:
we dont have an illegal immigration problem, we have an illegal hiring problem. when illegals come here and cant get work they'll go home and fix their own damn country.

as far as big agriculture goes, its about time they quit relying on slave labor. yea, its gonna hurt their porfits and we will end up paying a few cents more for their produce but the overall benefits to society and our economy will offset this many times over.

(i feel the corporatist on this site coming at me on this one, like zombies)
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If you're referring to me, I'm on your side. But this is being spun as a "secure id" issue, which will be used to put microchips inside us. We don't NEED more technology or a better ID system. They know who's illegal. All we need is the will to enforce the law, not more invasive technology. And we need a huge electrified fence complete with rifle towers with orders to shoot to kill.
 
Crashk said:
we dont have an illegal immigration problem, we have an illegal hiring problem. when illegals come here and cant get work they'll go home and fix their own damn country.
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Sorry, too late for that.

as far as big agriculture goes, its about time they quit relying on slave labor. yea, its gonna hurt their porfits and we will end up paying a few cents more for their produce but the overall benefits to society and our economy will offset this many times over.
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I agree with that, but to do so, they will have to rely on the same people they depend on now. the difference is they should be made "work legal" then paid appropriately.
 
What's the problem? Actually the problem is that they've become reliant on underpaying people forced to live in the s hadows of society. I don't feel sorry for them that they now have to pay decent wages. Am I supposed to cry for them? How about this:

If they want to hang on to their illegals, they can forego all of the farm subsidies we provide.
 
no asshat, i was not referring to you. I was referring to the 'free traders' and corporatists and those who believe that illegals should have the right to work in this country.
 
LadyT said:
What's the problem? Actually the problem is that they've become reliant on underpaying people forced to live in the s hadows of society. I don't feel sorry for them that they now have to pay decent wages. Am I supposed to cry for them? How about this:

If they want to hang on to their illegals, they can forego all of the farm subsidies we provide.
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Good idea, LadyT. Get rid of farm subsidies and allow guest workers. It's what I've been saying the whole time.
 
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