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ib1yysguy said:
Yeah, if Joe was making any kind of income, he'd have paid back the debt of like $1.35 with some interest. So the ice cream man would have made his profit, the lender would have made profit, and Joe would have gotten his ice cream and greased the wheels of commerce at the same time.

What happened instead is Joe got no ice cream, the ice cream man made no money, and the person who would have lent him money had no interest earned on the loan that was never made.

Retarded on a surreal level was right.
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whats retarded and surreal is watching the worlds economy crash because it was based on the credit/debt cycle and then having to listen to you ignorant masses continue to support it.
 
ib1yysguy said:
Again, if you're not retarded (like say, you won a Nobel Prize in economics) you understand that Japan's economic woes bared no similarity to our own. The comparison is without merit. You want to draw some similarity because you see the words "Liberal Democratic" and think that every other factor doesn't matter.

Fact: Before about an hour ago you had no idea any economists thought stimulus spending was a good idea. You laughed at the idea. I corrected you hard-core. The vast majority of economists recognize deficit/stimulus spending as tremendously helpful in recessions caused by drops in private sector investment and consumption (ours). Japan's recession was due to huge, out of control inflationary issues which made their government's spending on infrastructure much, much less effective. The comparison, again, is totally retarded and it's a very sorry attempt to draw attention away from the fact that you were totally uninformed (read: ignorant) as to the economics behind stimulus spending and the fact that most economists recognize it as legit.
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The bolded above is the pure ignorance. NO economist would agree with that statement. Not even your beloved Krugman. Look at the great tech run of the 1980's in Japan, followed by an implosion, interest rates went to zero, they pumped 'stimulus' into the market to try to build their economy... 20 years later the Nikkei is nowhere near where it peaked in 1989. In fact it is still about 1/4 of what it used to be.

Now look to the US... tech run in the 1990s, implosion, interest rates go to zero, we try to 'stimulate' our way out of the downturn.

If you cannot see the similarities, you are a fool.
 
Watermark said:
No it isn't.



Despite his reputation, FDR didn't actually do much to stimulate the economy. Or not nearly enough. Only WWII would provide the spending necessary to get us out of the conservative dark ages.
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true... now... WHY did this spending help us out, when all the other spending didn't?

Perhaps because it created... JOBS...
 
Topspin said:
awhhh preacher's feelings hurt, don't bring toliet jokes and I'll stay away form the training you guys get on raping young boys.
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Again, please refrain from the suggestion of sex with underage folks. It is against the rules. Since both statements came before I started warning about it, suffice it to say I know believe you to be completely warned on this subject. While preacher jokes can be funny, this one isn't appropriate in this format.
 
Yurt said:
actually, krugman doesn't really prove your point as he points out not everything is stimulus..."a FAIR AMOUNT"...IOW...quite a bit....



you dems suck at everything...even krugman thinks you suck....notwithstanding i think the whole bill is hogwash
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and yet you voted for, supported, and defended that asswipes and the ideology that got us into this mess.

How did deregulation work out for you?

It was under regulated capitalism, greedy CEOs and wall street run amuck that got us into this shit storm.

and yet, wasn't it you cons who spent the last 30 years telling us to get the government out of the way of the markets, and that market forces were self-regulating essentially? Didn't you mock every single liberal in the past 8 years who said corporate america and wall street were underregulated and requred more oversight?

Yes, I think you did.

I don't disagree that the a lot of the stimulus was crap. Its not the stuff of FDR. It should have been bigger, and it should have been weighted to public works projects and infrastructure.

But, I'm saying that as an honest, partisan lefty.

Your position is based on dishonest partisan hackery. It would be appropriate for you to admit, and apologize, for being wrong for the last 8 years.
 
Cypress said:
and yet you voted for, supported, and defended that asswipes and the ideology that got us into this mess.

How did deregulation work out for you?

It was under regulated capitalism, greedy CEOs and wall street run amuck that got us into this shit storm.

and yet, wasn't it you cons who spent the last 30 years telling us to get the government out of the way of the markets, and that market forces were self-regulating essentially? Didn't you mock every single liberal in the past 8 years who said corporate america and wall street were underregulated and requred more oversight?

Yes, I think you did.

I don't disagree that the a lot of the stimulus was crap. Its not the stuff of FDR. It should have been bigger, and it should have been weighted to public works projects and infrastructure.

But, I'm saying that as an honest, partisan lefty.

Your position is based on dishonest partisan hackery. It would be appropriate for you to admit, and apologize, for being wrong for the last 8 years.
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^LOL^

yeah, it was solely bush....obama in the senate and his other congress/senators had ZERO role....

lmao...then again, you admit you're a partisan hack lefty...thanks for for your honesty :rolleyes:
 
You know if Mr. Balanced Budget Bush had not ran the debt from 5 trillion to 10 trillion the healthcare and stimulus spending now would not be a big issue.
 
Yurt said:
^LOL^

yeah, it was solely bush....obama in the senate and his other congress/senators had ZERO role....

lmao...then again, you admit you're a partisan hack lefty...thanks for for your honesty :rolleyes:
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Wow, republicans are so embarrassed of their ideology, they want to share the "credit" with liberals now.

I never said anything about partys. A lot of democrats went along with your deregulation crap, your privitization crapy, and your so-called free trade schemes.

Those were your ideas. Your conservative heros told us that unbriddled capitalism and tax cuts for the rich would be a panacea for unprecendented prosperity, and wage and job growth.

Lefty liberals never bought into that crap.

Please don't trying to "share" credit for your fucking idiotic con ideas with me.
 
Cypress said:
Wow, republicans are so embarrassed of their ideology, they want to share the "credit" with liberals now.

I never said anything about partys. A lot of democrats went along with your deregulation crap, your privitization crapy, and your so-called free trade schemes.

Those were your ideas. Your conservative heros told us that unbriddled capitalism and tax cuts for the rich would be a panacea for unprecendented prosperity, and wage and job growth.

Lefty liberals never bought into that crap.

Please don't trying to "share" credit for your fucking idiotic con ideas with me.
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It is that GOP sponsored personal responsibility coming out.
 
"Wow, republicans are so embarrassed of their ideology, they want to share the "credit" with liberals now."

You see a lot of 'credit-sharing' from the Bush years.

It's almost like Bush wasn't there; he was like an innocent bystander when all of this terrible, incompetent stuff went on...
 
Yep and for 6 of those Bush years the repubs controlled everything.

But lets not dwell on republican inspired personal responsibility. After all Bush is not president now.
 
uscitizen said:
Yep and for 6 of those Bush years the repubs controlled everything.

But lets not dwell on republican inspired personal responsibility. After all Bush is not president now.
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Again, 4 years not 6.

For the first two years the Senate was controlled by the Ds, four years following both houses and the executive were R controlled, the last 2 years were D Controlled Congress.
 
Onceler said:
"Wow, republicans are so embarrassed of their ideology, they want to share the "credit" with liberals now."

You see a lot of 'credit-sharing' from the Bush years.

It's almost like Bush wasn't there; he was like an innocent bystander when all of this terrible, incompetent stuff went on...
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no, its the blame game...nice spin...you guys act like everything in the world is bush's fault, that simply is not true
 
Cypress said:
Wow, republicans are so embarrassed of their ideology, they want to share the "credit" with liberals now.

I never said anything about partys. A lot of democrats went along with your deregulation crap, your privitization crapy, and your so-called free trade schemes.

Those were your ideas. Your conservative heros told us that unbriddled capitalism and tax cuts for the rich would be a panacea for unprecendented prosperity, and wage and job growth.

Lefty liberals never bought into that crap.

Please don't trying to "share" credit for your fucking idiotic con ideas with me.
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nice meadowmuffins.....it is not embarrassed about idealogy at all....it is you and your hack blame game...as if bush is responsible for everything negative and nothing positive...deregulation is not the sole cause, nor is there proof it is even a major cause of what happened....further, bush and other republicans as far back as 2003 warned you idiot dems that shit was going to hit the fan and all you guys, obama included, said oh no, you're just a bunch fear mongers....

so you can take your faux outrage and blame and pound sand
 
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