Incredible Proof for Why You Should Have Faith in the Bible

[Wilhelm Zenz]

cbn seriously you just used cbn as a source? well there goes all your credibility.. wait you had none to begin with

 

[gfm7175]

Here it is.
http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2016...of-for-why-you-should-have-faith-in-the-bible
A 'holy link' is not proof of anything. There are no 'proofs' in religion; religion is an open functional system. Open functional systems do not have the power of 'proof'...

Now, I realize that you atheists are just itching to TRY to refute this evidence.

Evidence is not 'proof'... Evidence is simply evidence.

But you cannot. It is all factual.

A 'fact' is not a "universal truth", nor is it a "proof". A 'fact' is shorthand predicate that is accepted by all involved parties. Between you and I (assuming you are also a Christian), "God is real" would be a 'fact'. Between you, I, and some atheist, "God is real" would no longer be a 'fact'; it would return to being an argument.

Well. The evidence I've posted stands on its own if anyone cares to know the truth.

The thread title itself is a paradox... "Incredible proof for why you should have faith in the Bible" ... You can't prove something that you are believing on faith... So which is it?
1) The Bible can be proven.
2) The Bible is believed on a faith basis.

Religion is defined by philosophy as "an initial circular argument with other arguments stemming from that initial circular argument". That's all religion is... It doesn't even have to be "belief in a god(s)" in order to qualify as a religion... Atheism is a religion... The Big Bang Theory is as religion... The Theory of Abiogenesis is a religion... and so on and so forth...

 

[gfm7175]

The thread title itself is a paradox... "Incredible proof for why you should have faith in the Bible" ... You can't prove something that you are believing on faith... So which is it?
1) The Bible can be proven.
2) The Bible is believed on a faith basis.

Religion is defined by philosophy as "an initial circular argument with other arguments stemming from that initial circular argument". That's all religion is... It doesn't even have to be "belief in a god(s)" in order to qualify as a religion... Atheism is a religion... The Big Bang Theory is as religion... The Theory of Abiogenesis is a religion... and so on and so forth...

I should correct myself... I meant to say "You can't prove something that you can only believe on a faith basis". --- One can, however, believe on a faith basis, something than can/has be(en) proven.

The "is" in the paradox breakdown should may be rephrased "can only be" for better clarity.

 

[Grugore]

I should correct myself... I meant to say "You can't prove something that you can only believe on a faith basis". --- One can, however, believe on a faith basis, something than can/has be(en) proven.

The "is" in the paradox breakdown should may be rephrased "can only be" for better clarity.

Read the topic title again. It says proof why you should have faith in the Bible. I listed several proofs of why Scripture is an accurate historical record of actual events. You have failed to refute a single one them...because you can't.

 

[gfm7175]

Read the topic title again. It says proof why you should have faith in the Bible.

I read it correctly the first time. There is no proof because religion is an open functional system; religion does not have the power of proof. Plus, if you prove something, then you are not believing it on the basis of faith.

I listed several proofs of why Scripture is an accurate historical record of actual events.

Again, not proofs... You listed supporting evidences...

You have failed to refute a single one them...because you can't.

I'm refuting your fundamentalism; I am not refuting your beliefs. I am a creationist and a Christian myself, so I do agree that the Christian God exists and that the Bible is the true Word of God, but I'm just not a fundamentalist about it.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

God is real because the Bible tells us so.
The Bible is accurate because it's the word of God.

Does anybody see a problem with this?

 

[Lightbringer]

Here it is.
http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2016...of-for-why-you-should-have-faith-in-the-bible
Now, I realize that you atheists are just itching to TRY to refute this evidence. But you cannot. It is all factual. I realize you must try. After all, it is the will of your father, the Devil. But I ask you. Why do it? Why do you care whether or not someone believes in the Bible? Why do you feel threatened? Are abortion on demand, sodomy, and countless other perversions that important to you?

Well. The evidence I've posted stands on its own if anyone cares to know the truth.

Nothing you posted, in writing, suggests Jesus was Divine. I didn't watch the videos.

 

[gfm7175]

God is real because the Bible tells us so.
The Bible is accurate because it's the word of God.

Does anybody see a problem with this?

Not in the slightest, Nifty, and I will explain why there is no problem with that.

You were most likely taught in school that circular reasoning is always a logical fallacy. Well, you were taught wrong...

Circular reasoning (P, therefore P) is actually logically valid reasoning in and of itself. This is because the conclusion follows from the predicate(s). It follows through the proof of identity. Another (more commonly used) word for circular reasoning is "faith".

Where the 'circular reasoning fallacy' comes into play is when one tries to prove their religion (because they either ignore or don't recognize the circular nature of their argument). This is what fundamentalism is.

Hopefully that clears things up.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

Not in the slightest, Nifty, and I will explain why there is no problem with that.

You were most likely taught in school that circular reasoning is always a logical fallacy. Well, you were taught wrong...

Hmm, and imagine my thinking that all of those highly published PHD scholars were smarter than somebody who believes in a magic man in the sky.
Did circular reasoning serve you well with your SAT scores?

Believe what you want.
It's clearly your right.
Just don't try to stick that bullshit into the laws of the land.
Our nation is either a secular republic or it's a shithole whose time has come and gone.

 

[gfm7175]

I like how you cut off the rest of my post which explained WHY circular reasoning is not always a logical fallacy... I also like how you didn't directly address any of that reasoning that I provided you with. I suppose it opposes what you WANT to believe... pitty...

So, given that, you obviously have zero interest in learning how logic actually works. I'll still directly address your response anyway, for shits and giggles...

Hmm, and imagine my thinking that all of those highly published PHD scholars were smarter than somebody who believes in a magic man in the sky.

Appeal to Authority fallacy with some bigotry sprinkled on top.

Did circular reasoning serve you well with your SAT scores?

Red herring attempt ignored.

Believe what you want.
It's clearly your right.

Thank you for allowing me to do so.

Just don't try to stick that bullshit into the laws of the land.

Irrelevant.

Our nation is either a secular republic or it's a shithole whose time has come and gone.

Our nation is a federated republic.