Indian-American Members of Congress Sworn In Harris Sworn In As An Indian-American

lol, how did you expect them to act in front of others?? Everyone knows the talk & how to walk.............

You assume that is what & how they would be if you were not there??

I wouldn't, but then I don't know them either.....

I deal w/ lots of young ppl all the time.........

The rubber does not meet the road there........... I can lay out many personal examples of them, as well as my own kids but perhaps that is just foreign to most of you, I dunno.............

Fair point in that it was an anecdotal story but it fit in with what’s happening in our country with the white fragility/anti-racism movement and (white) people say I see your race and thus acknowledge your experiences (because of that race) is the opposite of “we’re all one people and of the human race” along opposite of the colorblind movement.
 
Fair point in that it was an anecdotal story but it fit in with what’s happening in our country with the white fragility/anti-racism movement and (white) people say I see your race and thus acknowledge your experiences (because of that race) is the opposite of “we’re all one people and of the human race” along opposite of the colorblind movement.

I see old ppl especially getting a pass.. Many are from another era....

If ppl are angry & have a chip, they'll find a reason to flip..:nodyes:

In my world it's different, mostly anyway....

You think many of the angry MF's here have bad or rough experiences w/ folks outside their own culture?? lol I bet you wouldn't think that would be surprise would yea since they treat ppl like shit.......

I'll give you an example from another perspective: & I have talked before about playing soccer, organized by one of my daughters...

We would have on average 15-20 ppl, many have been friends since elementary school..

Most of the "races" were covered-African, African-American, Jamaican, Arab, Afghan, Chinese, Japanese, Lao, White, & Hispanic~& many of them were combos of that......

They were not PC........ THey would joke, tease each other (men & women)-NO ONE WAS TRIPPIN.........

That is a microcosm perhaps, but the foundation was mutual respect, @ least that is what I saw & believe..
 
I see old ppl especially getting a pass.. Many are from another era....

If ppl are angry & have a chip, they'll find a reason to flip..:nodyes:

In my world it's different, mostly anyway....

You think many of the angry MF's here have bad or rough experiences w/ folks outside their own culture?? lol I bet you wouldn't think that would be surprise would yea since they treat ppl like shit.......

I'll give you an example from another perspective: & I have talked before about playing soccer, organized by one of my daughters...

We would have on average 15-20 ppl, many have been friends since elementary school..

Most of the "races" were covered-African, African-American, Jamaican, Arab, Afghan, Chinese, Japanese, Lao, White, & Hispanic~& many of them were combos of that......

They were not PC........ THey would joke, tease each other (men & women)-NO ONE WAS TRIPPIN.........

That is a microcosm perhaps, but the foundation was mutual respect, @ least that is what I saw & believe..

What you described there is why I love sports. People from all backgrounds, economic positions etc. coming together on a team to work as one for a common goal. And through that you build relationships just like you said. And even kidding with each other and making jokes is all part of that. It's 100% why I will get my daughter involved in sports. (ultimately how far she goes is up to her but I want her to be exposed to the experience you just described)

Let me share an example of today's reality. You're a Howard Stern guy (or at least you post about him). He had Tom Brady on not too long ago. He asked Brady what it was like to lead a team of mostly black players. Brady said everything is colorblind on the field, it's all about the team and winning etc. He got crushed for that answer. People said he was the poster child for white privilege with that attitude. That's our world today.
 
What you described there is why I love sports. People from all backgrounds, economic positions etc. coming together on a team to work as one for a common goal. And through that you build relationships just like you said. And even kidding with each other and making jokes is all part of that. It's 100% why I will get my daughter involved in sports. (ultimately how far she goes is up to her but I want her to be exposed to the experience you just described)

Let me share an example of today's reality. You're a Howard Stern guy (or at least you post about him). He had Tom Brady on not too long ago. He asked Brady what it was like to lead a team of mostly black players. Brady said everything is colorblind on the field, it's all about the team and winning etc. He got crushed for that answer. People said he was the poster child for white privilege with that attitude. That's our world today.
Great, sports are excellent experiences for children............

W/out knowing the entire story it is hard to say other than his uses of terms like colorblind.......

To be honest I dunno why that would even come up in a team sport....

I have quoted stern a few times, I am not a fan & never watched an episode of his show or listen to him on the radio........ (After heavy prodding I tried to watch it once, over 10 years ago, he was trying to coerce some lady to take off her top~childish & boring to say the least-easy to see how he would have liked trump, & his daughter)
 
Great, sports are excellent experiences for children............

W/out knowing the entire story it is hard to say other than his uses of terms like colorblind.......

To be honest I dunno why that would even come up in a team sport....

I have quoted stern a few times, I am not a fan & never watched an episode of his show or listen to him on the radio........ (After heavy prodding I tried to watch it once, over 10 years ago, he was trying to coerce some lady to take off her top~childish & boring to say the least-easy to see how he would have liked trump, & his daughter)

This article kind of hits at the core of the discussion ITT. In today's world you have to be color conscious. You can't be colorblind. (You see Brady's response, it's exactly what you and I have been saying here. And the author is saying that's a no-no.)



The white privilege of Tom Brady not seeing race

The six-time Super Bowl champion has a choice that his black teammates over the years haven’t been afforded


On Wednesday morning, new Tampa Bay Buccaneers quarterback Tom Brady, calling in from the rented mansion of former Major League Baseball player Derek Jeter, sat for a wide-ranging interview with shock jock Howard Stern. The pair spoke for two hours about Brady’s reasoning for leaving his former team, the New England Patriots, his relationship with former head coach Bill Belichick and the strain his job put on his marriage to former model Gisele Bündchen.

But early in the interview, when Brady was discussing how he managed dealing with and trusting unmotivated and apathetic teammates, Stern asked if he ever felt “guilty” or “self-consciousness” about having to be a cantankerous leader of a majority-black roster while being a white man.

Brady, clearly caught off guard by the question, responded, “Never. I never saw race. I think sports transcends race, it transcends wealth, it transcends all that. You get to know and appreciate what someone else may bring. When you’re in a locker room with 50 guys, you don’t think about race … because you’re all the same at that point.

“White, black, whatever it is, you figure out how to get along.”

Whatever one might think about Brady’s idea of racial harmony, based on his comments, it’s clear he possesses a privilege unique to a successful, famous white man. The six-time Super Bowl champion, who has made more than $200 million in his career (not including the $50 million contract he recently signed with the Buccaneers), can choose to not see race, something his black teammates over the last 20 years haven’t been afforded.

Race is everywhere in America. To choose to not see it might sound praiseworthy. But it is also a conscious decision to ignore the unpleasantness of racism and discrimination, not to mention acknowledge each other’s different backgrounds.

Colorblindness erases the experiences of the hundreds of black teammates Brady’s had over the years. Saying you “don’t see color” is a signal to society that 1) you’re a different white person from those slavery-era or Jim Crow white people, and 2) you couldn’t be racist because you don’t even think about it. But former teammates of Brady’s, such as James White, Mohamed Sanu and Devin McCourty, can’t wave a wand and suddenly have 400 years of African American history vanish because it helps their white co-workers sleep better at night.

Nearly every black player or coach whom Brady has come across since being selected 199th overall in the 2000 draft has experienced or knows someone who has experienced police violence, environmental racism, disenfranchisement, redlining, prison sentencing disparity or prejudice in the workplace. Former Patriot Jacoby Brissett, in 2016, became the first African American to start at quarterback for New England. Did Brissett look like Brian Hoyer to Brady?

Race, not colorblindness, is the story of the NFL. The conference Brady used to play in, the AFC, was once the American Football League. In the first half of the 20th century, the NFL had gentleman’s agreements and racial quotas that forbade or limited the number of African Americans in the league. The AFL had no such reservations and thus could choose from the best black athletes in the country. The NFL eventually merged with the AFL.

An example of Brady publicly acknowledging social issues revolves around the treatment of Colin Kaepernick and the protests of fellow NFL players. Brady called Kaepernick a “damn good quarterback” who is “qualified” to play in the league, and said he’s always admired the former San Francisco 49ers quarterback. He also told Boston radio station WEEI that he has “no idea if [Kaepernick’s] being blackballed” by the league.

In a 2018 interview with Oprah Winfrey, Brady said he respected players kneeling during the national anthem because the actions prompted “a lot of good, healthy conversations” in the Patriots’ locker room. It is helpful to have those conversations if you see race.

Brady’s privilege isn’t restricted to just skin color. In the Stern interview, Brady also expounded on his decadeslong friendship with President Donald Trump. Brady told Stern that he continues to be friends with Trump, whom he has known since 2001 and whose Make America Great Again campaign cap Brady displayed in his locker in 2015, because “political support is totally different than the support of a friend.”

White privilege allows Brady to only see Trump as a friend, not a politician, even while many African Americans in this country see Trump as the man who called African nations “s—hole countries,” claimed that the first black president was born in Kenya and advocated for the death penalty for the now-exonerated Central Park Five. A collection of Brady’s black teammates skipped the post-Super Bowl White House visit in 2017 due to Trump’s presence. Running back LeGarrette Blount didn’t attend, he said, because “I just don’t feel welcome in that house.” (Brady also didn’t attend for family reasons.) Five months later, Trump called black NFL players “son of a bitch” for kneeling for the national anthem in protest of police violence and racial inequality. Brady called Trump’s comments “divisive.”

Some white people avoid talking about or refuse to see race because it makes them uncomfortable or it might force them to atone for the sins of their ancestors. Researchers at the University of Kansas, University of Wyoming and University of Washington call the tactic “color-evasiveness” rather than “colorblindness” because those purveyors are choosing to not see race rather than being unable to see race.

https://theundefeated.com/features/the-white-privilege-of-tom-brady-not-seeing-race/
 
Unfortunately that is how it is today, who knows what tomorrow will bring......

What if Sir Charles had said it??

Color blind is out of favor, so is trump, he should know that........

his trump love is prob part of his prob here, but ppl make up their own minds or have someone else do it for them......

Could he have explained it better had he more time, headsUP on what was going to be asked?? :dunno:

How do you think he could have answered that question better............??
 
Unfortunately that is how it is today, who knows what tomorrow will bring......

What if Sir Charles had said it??

Color blind is out of favor, so is trump, he should know that........

his trump love is prob part of his prob here, but ppl make up their own minds or have someone else do it for them......

Could he have explained it better had he more time, headsUP on what was going to be asked?? :dunno:

How do you think he could have answered that question better............??

I have no issue with what he said. When you’re on a team and you’re chasing championships you are one unit.
 
I have no issue with what he said. When you’re on a team and you’re chasing championships you are one unit.

Yep.......

Before I was into politic/social I was into sports, mostly NBA & honestly not much difference.

What was perhaps ironic was you had racist talking shit just like here........

I nary ever heard one ever say they didn't want that touchdown, home run or basket to count because of the race/ethnicity of their players........
 
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