Inflation drops to 4.9%

[T. A. Gardner]

Please give me an example of when the Federal government should step in and dictate to a State how to run their state during a pandemic.

Well, let's say a state decides that anyone from out-of-state travelling thorough a particular state is subject to mandatory testing and if found positive will be quarantined for 14 days in a state facility. To do this they empower their police to pull over any vehicle with out of state plates and make the occupants undergo testing at some facility.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

The bolded is a flat-out lie.

When Biden took office, vaccine administration was anemic. In his 1st week, he enacted over a half dozen EO's designed to ramp up the rate of vaccinations, including increasing the # of vaccination sites, using the Defense Production Act, shoring up the supply chain, et al.

And the proof is in the results. Vaccinations increased dramatically in his 1st few months. Trump had felt that just getting the vaccine out there was enough for the feds - but Biden knew that distribution was nothing without proper & efficient administration.

You should read up on the history of it. Without a doubt, that made a significant impact on jobs.

Then prove it. Your word isn't worth squat.

 

[BartenderElite]

Then prove it. Your word isn't worth squat.

Prove what?

You said Biden didn't do a damned thing. I pointed out exactly what he did to ramp up vaccinations - all in his 1st week in office.

You clearly have no knowledge of that, at all. And have no problem lying about his record as a result. Is it my job to teach you the history of it?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Well, let's say a state decides that anyone from out-of-state travelling thorough a particular state is subject to mandatory testing and if found positive will be quarantined for 14 days in a state facility.

To do this they empower their police to pull over any vehicle with out of state plates and make the occupants undergo testing at some facility.

Which state did that happen, Terry? Were the citizens allowed to turn around and leave? FWIW, I don't recall that happening except under Federal jurisdiction for people entering the United States.

Targeting license plates seems like unlawful search. Which state did this?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Prove what?

You said Biden didn't do a damned thing. I pointed out exactly what he did to ramp up vaccinations - all in his 1st week in office.

You clearly have no knowledge of that, at all. And have no problem lying about his record as a result. Is it my job to teach you the history of it?

If this were reversed, you wouldn't be taking my word for it. Prove it.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Which state did that happen, Terry? Were the citizens allowed to turn around and leave? FWIW, I don't recall that happening except under Federal jurisdiction for people entering the United States.

Targeting license plates seems like unlawful search. Which state did this?

You asked for an example. I gave you one. Now you are pulling a Reductio ad Absurdum fallacy in continually demanding more proof.

 

[BartenderElite]

If this were reversed, you wouldn't be taking my word for it. Prove it.

Again - prove what?

What are you asking for? Do you want me to list the Executive Orders that you were ignorant of, and can't be bothered to look up yourself?

 

[BartenderElite]

You asked for an example. I gave you one. Now you are pulling a Reductio ad Absurdum fallacy in continually demanding more proof.

Well, that's certainly some projection based on your last few replies to me.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

If you're gonna blame Biden for inflation - which started as soon as he entered office, essentially - then you have to credit him for adding 13+ million jobs.

Can't have it both ways. Sorry 'bout that.

sure we can.....we have both apples and oranges......the jobs were sitting there waiting for people to go back to them after the shut down.....inflation wasn't.......

 

[Damocles]

That's still high. This is like going to a store just before Christmas and finding the toy that was $10 in July that is now "half off" and priced at $30 on December 23rd and thinking you've found a sweet "deal" and saved money because it isn't $60 "anymore".

 

[Dutch Uncle]

You asked for an example. I gave you one. Now you are pulling a Reductio ad Absurdum fallacy in continually demanding more proof.

Thanks, Terry. I should have been clearer about real-life examples. Your retreat into fallacy accusations is expected.

Do you have any real-life examples? If not, I fully understand.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Well, that's certainly some projection based on your last few replies to me.

I asked for some proof. You offered me personal anecdote. You could at least have provided a link or two to something proving your case. Now, if I continued to demand more proof without a decent rebuttal to what you gave, then Reductio ad Absurdum might apply.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Thanks, Terry. I should have been clearer about real-life examples. Your retreat into fallacy accusations is expected.

Do you have any real-life examples? If not, I fully understand.

Okay. The following states had manditory 12 or 14 day quarantines for out-of-state travelers during the pandemic:

Alaska
Delaware
Hawaii
Idaho
Maine
Maryland
Massachusetts
Kentucky
Montana
Nevada
New Hampshire
New Mexico
North Dakota
Ohio
Rhode Island
Vermont
Wisconson
Wyoming

Several more had either limited, restricted, or voluntary quarantines in place.

All 50 states put bans on gatherings larger than a certain size-- most 10 or more persons, some 50 or more. (Right to free association abrogated) Some states aggressively enforced these like California (unless you were a VIP like Gavin Newsome then it got ignored), others didn't.

10 States With the Most Aggressive Response to COVID-19
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-st...h-the-most-aggressive-response-to-coronavirus

Worse, the lockdowns didn't work... Some gratuitous toss ins that show as politics in a state moved Left, the response to Chinese Disease increasingly became utterly stupid.

US states that locked down failed in handling of Covid, study finds
https://www.news.com.au/technology/...s/news-story/ba7a026ba88f840a7bf1c0aec51f9932

(states in red faired the worse and had the greatest negative economic and social outcomes without doing better on prevention)

Democrats run nine of the 10 states with the highest unemployment rates, The Wall Street Journal editorial board wrote. These states have implemented the most severe restrictions during their state’s emergency shutdown orders and are showing little-to-no signs of economic recovery.
https://www.thecentersquare.com/national/article_43050892-b643-11ea-b34d-af89bbf47ec0.html

 

[Jarod]

The economy is improving because the effects of Covid ending are kicking in.

It would be doing a lot better if Bidens policies weren’t hindering it

It would be A LOT better if Trump didn’t IGNORE AND MISHANDLE Covid.

 

[Jarod]

That's still high. This is like going to a store just before Christmas and finding the toy that was $10 in July that is now "half off" and priced at $30 on December 23rd and thinking you've found a sweet "deal" and saved money because it isn't $60 "anymore".

Historically speaking, it is very low.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Okay. The following states had manditory 12 or 14 day quarantines for out-of-state travelers during the pandemic:

Alaska
Delaware
Hawaii
Idaho
Maine
Maryland
Massachusetts
Kentucky
Montana
Nevada
New Hampshire
New Mexico
North Dakota
Ohio
Rhode Island
Vermont
Wisconson
Wyoming

Several more had either limited, restricted, or voluntary quarantines in place.

All 50 states put bans on gatherings larger than a certain size-- most 10 or more persons, some 50 or more. (Right to free association abrogated) Some states aggressively enforced these like California (unless you were a VIP like Gavin Newsome then it got ignored), others didn't.

10 States With the Most Aggressive Response to COVID-19
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-st...h-the-most-aggressive-response-to-coronavirus

Worse, the lockdowns didn't work... Some gratuitous toss ins that show as politics in a state moved Left, the response to Chinese Disease increasingly became utterly stupid.

US states that locked down failed in handling of Covid, study finds
https://www.news.com.au/technology/...s/news-story/ba7a026ba88f840a7bf1c0aec51f9932

https://content.api.news/v3/images/bin/c7c88a3a7390cc5719e24a5add35422b?width=1024
(states in red faired the worse and had the greatest negative economic and social outcomes without doing better on prevention)

Democrats run nine of the 10 states with the highest unemployment rates, The Wall Street Journal editorial board wrote. These states have implemented the most severe restrictions during their state’s emergency shutdown orders and are showing little-to-no signs of economic recovery.
https://www.thecentersquare.com/national/article_43050892-b643-11ea-b34d-af89bbf47ec0.html

From your first link: The Trump administration issued new guidance for the next 15 days, recommending that Americans avoid gatherings of more than 10 people.<--- seems like Trump supported it. Does this mean Trump is a lefty or just a liar?

The second link is equivalent to an after-action report or the final aircraft accident report. While I appreciate their findings, I'm a bit dubious about their spin. An example being the apples and oranges comparison of high population density states/cities and low population density states.

Compare your lockdown map to this population density relief map:

And this one: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/05/opinion/letters/us-coronavirus.html?partner=IFTTT

 

[QP!]

The economy is improving because the effects of Covid ending are kicking in.

It would be doing a lot better if Bidens policies weren’t hindering it

Then why is the US doing better than pretty much every other 1st world nation?

During COvid the US was doing worse than pretty much every other 1st world nation, under Trump. Does that mean Trump's policies were succeeding?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html
Since it's interactive, I haven't copied it, but note the deaths per capita map.

Meanwhile, COVID cases map:

 

[QP!]

The economy sucked until the republicans took the house and that’s just a fact

Re the above post, are not the Republican's taking the House responsible for it being worse than when Trump was in?

You need to stick to one argument.

 

[QP!]

There is no question any more.

Bush Sr, hands CLinton an economy in Recession.
Clinton turns it around and hands Bush Jr a booming economy.
Bush Jr turns it around and hands Obama an economy in or heading towards recession.
Obama turns it around and hands Trump a booming economy.
Trump turns it around and hands Biden in or heading towards recession.
Biden is in the midst of turning it around...