Interesting statistics

Those people in France died because of the global warming you pretend doesn't exist.
That is a lie, I fully acknowledged for a long time that the earth is likely warming, I do question, as many more are, the cause of that. The most likely reason is increased solar activity, same with the warming recorded on Mars and Jupiter.

France is a place that has not traditionally needed air conditioners. Now it needs them. I guess the free market will solve global warming.
Hell, we'd have deaths up the yazoo in Mississippi if we didn't have air conditioners, it's just that our climate hasn't changed so radically.
Did it ever occur to you that taxes are much higher and purchasing power much lower ($13000 lower per person) in more left-wing France, so it makes it harder for regular people to afford A/C?
http://www.geographyiq.com/ranking/ranking_GDP_per_capita_purchasing_power_parity_dall.htm

And none of this takes away from the fact that MORE lives could have been saved if healthcare treatment had occured faster. The article CLEARLY points to waits for healthcare. See excerpts below:

"A "Plan Blanc" or "White Plan" has been put into action, with doctors and nurses being recalled from leave, "
"She said the medical team had worked eight days without respite and was exhausted."
 
And it's beyond stupid for you to say that France's far superior healthcare system caused a heatwave. Most Parisian buildings do not have air conditioners. I spend more time waiting on doctors than people in France. Just continue your ignorant lie that single-payer healthcare systems need waiting lists, don't you. Dano knows so much more than the WHO.
Fuck you, you stupid idiot, this is the most widely ackowledged fact on the planet, even fucking Michael Moore admitted wait times are higher.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialized_healthcare

I spend much less time waiting and there is a reason why people all over the world come to America for healthcare and not France. Because it's the best, period.

And in case you hadn't noticed, Sarkozy was elected in France with a mandate to control government spending and growth because people do not like life there with a large government (including healthcare) and huge amount of spending.
 
That is a lie, I fully acknowledged for a long time that the earth is likely warming, I do question, as many more are, the cause of that. The most likely reason is increased solar activity, same with the warming recorded on Mars and Jupiter.

It would be rather amazing for the sun to just all of the sudden start to warm itself up a few million degrees. I tried to look for evidence on google, but all I could find was right wing blogs.

Did it ever occur to you that taxes are much higher and purchasing power much lower ($13000 lower per person) in more left-wing France, so it makes it harder for regular people to afford A/C?
http://www.geographyiq.com/ranking/r...ity_dal l.htm


I promise you, no matter how much lower their purchasing power is, it isn't lower than mine in uber-right wing Mississippi. No one here goes without an airconditioner. If you have a wooden shack out in the delta without any windows, you can bet there's going to be an airconditioner attached to it.

Arguing that parisians do not have no airconditioning because of leftwing policies which hurt the economy is stupid, because no matter how left wing they are, they aren't poorer than Mississippi. Let's think about this here. Maybe it's a climate issue? Maybe, just maybe Dano, for once in the history of man, liberals aren't the cause?

And Anyway, if we had a healthcare system like France's, we'd have even more purchasing power to brag about, because we wouldn't be spending twice as much on healthcare.

Fuck you, you stupid idiot, this is the most widely ackowledged fact on the planet, even fucking Michael Moore admitted wait times are higher.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialized_healthcare


I thougth God was the most widely acknowledged fact on the planet? *Sigh* I'm getting old...

From the article:

"In France, the supply of doctors is so limited that during an August 2003 heat wave -- when many doctors were on vacation and hospitals were stretched beyond capacity -- 15,000 elderly citizens died."

The article connects two truths...that the hospitals were stretched in the heat wave and that an extra 15,000 elderly people died during this period. But these two truths are only connected to the heat wave, not to each other.

And that's the only mention of France in the article.


And in case you hadn't noticed, Sarkozy was elected in France with a mandate to control government spending and growth because people do not like life there with a large government (including healthcare) and huge amount of spending.


France puts too many restrictions on the market. Their welfare system isn't the worlds biggest or smallest. It's in line with most other welfare systems throughout most civilized nations in the world, including Ireland, which has a PPP per capita higher than America. Ireland, in contrast, has fewer business restrictions and regulations than America or France. Those they do have are designed to help the nation, instead of the usual American regulation, which is designed to help with pork back home or please some lobbying firm.

And if people are pissed about healthcare in France, we sure as hell should be in America, because we spend just as much public as them in healthcare, and then we spend an even larger portion privately. Single-payer systems have been proven to be more cost-effective than private and especially hybrid private ones. The healthcare system isn't something that can be put on the market. It's a completely inflexible good. Everyone is going to need it at sometime in their life.

Sure, we're "Subsidizing sick people with healthy peoples money". And if that's how you think, that the sick should be additionally punished for their sensless and random misfortune, then clearly you're screwed up.
 
That is a lie, I fully acknowledged for a long time that the earth is likely warming, I do question, as many more are, the cause of that. The most likely reason is increased solar activity, same with the warming recorded on Mars and Jupiter.

It would be rather amazing for the sun to just all of the sudden start to warm itself up a few million degrees. I tried to look for evidence on google, but all I could find was right wing blogs.
Yeah it would be pretty amazing that changes to our temperature could possibly be caused by the largest source of heat that we receive?

Here are the first 3 hits for some of those right-wing blogs that I got when I searched for solar activity:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_activity#Global_warming
http://www.colby.edu/sts/controversy/pages/solar_activity.htm
http://www-ssc.igpp.ucla.edu/IASTP/43/

Yep when I think "right-wing neocon", the name of Danish Prof. Henrik Svensmark certainly is right up there.

And it's not increases all of a sudden, it has been gradual as any of the charts above show.
 
One of things that amazes me about natural climate change deniers is that they either neglect that the Earth has always been changing or they admit it does but somehow believe only planets would have natural change and not stars.
Closed minds.
 
The climate change deniers are a problem for the rest of us who accept it. I've said this elsewhere but it's a bit like Pascal's Wager. If we don't do something about it and our planet goes down the toilet then that's pretty dumb, particularly when a lot scientific data is telling us to do something. But if we do something and it's not needed then how is that a bad thing? Perhaps I could bring up Y2K. The world protected itself, nothing happened, everyone gave each other cheesy grins and "oh well, we knew..." But we didn't. Only a reckless fool ignores the need for prudence.
 
The climate change deniers are a problem for the rest of us who accept it. I've said this elsewhere but it's a bit like Pascal's Wager. If we don't do something about it and our planet goes down the toilet then that's pretty dumb, particularly when a lot scientific data is telling us to do something. But if we do something and it's not needed then how is that a bad thing? Perhaps I could bring up Y2K. The world protected itself, nothing happened, everyone gave each other cheesy grins and "oh well, we knew..." But we didn't. Only a reckless fool ignores the need for prudence.
That's an excellent question. Here is a good documentary that shows the very real harm from having government force climate change legislation on people.
http://www.moviesfoundonline.com/great_global_warming_swindle.htm
 
One of things that amazes me about natural climate change deniers is that they either neglect that the Earth has always been changing or they admit it does but somehow believe only planets would have natural change and not stars.
Closed minds.

Stars do heat up but it would require natural phenomena for them to be doing it IE they'd have to be dying.
 
Stars do heat up but it would require natural phenomena for them to be doing it IE they'd have to be dying.
???
You've never heard of the effects of solar activity with sun spots?

"Scientists believe that a long period of solar inactivity may correspond with colder temperatures on Earth. From 1645 to 1715, astronomers observed very little solar activity. This time period coincides with an era known as the Little Ice Age, when rivers and lakes throughout Europe (and perhaps the world) froze."
http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/ast22jul99_1.htm

Why is Mars and Jupiter also heating up? I'm not saying I'm 100% sure of anything on this, but from viewing the most recent evidence I think 2 things:
1. It is more clear than ever that we are warming.
2. We are less certain on the cause of that

The thing I don't like is this shutting down on the science in this debate, there is new research on cosmic rays, on the effect of oceans, wind shear and solar activity. Yet very little of it is put in the debate arena because those who do are savaged with all the usual underhandedness of being called deniers, or in the interests of oil, corp money takers, right-wing hacks or what have you.
Then you couple that with media that has a vested interest in promoting the most outrageous doomsday like predictions to attract viewers/readers, along with politicians who have a golden issue they can use to regulate pretty much whatever they want in the name of saving the planet, along with researchers whose salaries and funding and mortgages are now tied to their actually being a human problem and who is going to speak up?
 
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