Internet troll

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AProudLefty

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A troll is a person who posts offensive or provocative messages online or performs similar behaviors in real life. Trolls can range from benign to sadistic in their methods and motivations.
Troll can also mean: To sing the parts of (as a round) To sing or recite loudly or merrily To harass, criticize, or antagonize (others or another) A lure or a line with its lure and hook used in trolling


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@Lionfish we're looking at ya.
 
AProudLefty said:
A troll is a person who posts offensive or provocative messages online or performs similar behaviors in real life. Trolls can range from benign to sadistic in their methods and motivations.
Troll can also mean: To sing the parts of (as a round) To sing or recite loudly or merrily To harass, criticize, or antagonize (others or another) A lure or a line with its lure and hook used in trolling


Generative AI is experimental

@Lionfish we're looking at ya.
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I've been on internet forums since the days of BBSes, IRC (chat relay), and Usenet (actually before the internet, but continued as the internet was developing). The concept of 'Troll' always meant that, for example, say a forum is dedicated to the teachings of Christ, a troll would do a fly by and call Christ a pedo, and get everyone riled up, where the troll was not interested in a serious discussion, they are only interested in getting a rise out of people for his or her own gratification. That's not a definition, that's an example of how real trolls operate. Someone who says provocative things, but engages in the conversation in a real way, is not really a troll, so you need to be precise about what a troll is. A troll is NEVER sincere, or interested in a real discussion, they motivated by upsetting people for personal gratification, only, that's it, that's what a troll is. Also, a troll is NEVER a 'regular' on any forum, they are always fly bys (well, mostly, anyway because there are grey areas, there are troll-like subject lines, and troll-like behavior). So, someone could be 'troll-ish', but really is just an annoying prick. There is some subjectivity about the subject, as well.
 
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Publius said:
I've been on internet forums since the days of BBSes, IRC (chat relay), and Usenet. The concept of 'Troll' always meant that, for example, say a forum is dedicated to the teachings of Christ, a troll would do a fly by and call Christ a pedo, and get everyone riled up, where the troll was not interested in a serious discussion, they are only interested in getting a rise out of people for his or her own gratification. That's not a definition, that's an example of how real trolls operate. Someone who says provocative things, but engages in the conversatioin in a real way, is not really a troll, so you need to be precise about what a troll is. A troll is NEVER sincere, or interested in a real discussion, they motivated by upsetting people for personal gratification, only, thats' it, that's what a troll is. Also, a troll is NEVER a 'regular' on any forum, they are always fly bys. There are grey areas, there are troll-like subject lines, and troll-like behavior, so. There is some subjectivity about the subject, as well.
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Personal gratification sometimes being promoting UTOPIA....chaos advantages the authoritarians.
 
I think internet trolls come in two forms, with subtypes of each.

The first form is the insulting, asshole, provocateur who simply posts insults, stupidity, and vulgarity to get a response. They are less than worthless and have nothing to offer in a thread. Here on JPP, Doc Dutch is such a troll, as one example. Their posts are almost entirely vulgar insults and asininity. They make everyone miserable but offer nothing, usually less than nothing, to a thread. Their comments are irrelevant.

The second form is the insulting, asshole, provocateur who uses a combination of contrary facts, evidence, and stupidity to get a response. While the difference is subtle, this sort of troll makes those with a contrary position uncomfortable and forces those posting to defend their positions. A good troll of this sort uses sarcasm, snark, and puns to create a response that provokes further discussion or makes the shallow, ill-informed, poster STFU.

The first is worthless to the board as they offer nothing of value. The second is like a good comic or talk show host where their banter forces uncomfortable responses from others, or forces them to drop the subject.
 
Kurmugeon said:
In the end, is there any real value to these forums?

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For the lazy, these forums' 'Current Events' and other forums content save a lot of time finding breaking stories of interest on all manner of subjects, and foreign news as well. The trolls are just for entertainment and are easily ignored when not in the mood. Plus re the left wingers and sexual deviants they're clear evidence of what insane hypocrites those sociopaths are and what they're really about. Easier to navigate via the listing style formats as well compared to X.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
If there were not to you then you would not be here unless you have completely failed at life.

Next Stupid Question.
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Okay, Mr. Answers,... what is the value of these forums?


( BTW, the stupid question, is the one people are too intimidated to ask! )
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My aversion to stupid questions goes all the way back to at least 7th grade at Marsh....where on the very first day one of my teachers told the class that he did not believe that stupid questions exist.

About 5 of the boys (Not Me) spent the whole semester trying to get him to admit that he was wrong.
 
EdwinA said:
For the lazy, these forums' 'Current Events' and other forums content save a lot of time finding breaking stories of interest on all manner of subjects, and foreign news as well. The trolls are just for entertainment and are easily ignored when not in the mood. Plus re the left wingers and sexual deviants they're clear evidence of what insane hypocrites those sociopaths are and what they're really about. Easier to navigate via the listing style formats as well compared to X.
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So, are you saying, the purpose of these forums is to trial balloon various political approaches, to get a general idea of the common voting Americans response to the approach?


If this is true, what is the function of the Internet Troll in the process?


( I assure the forum, there is a valid function of the Troll, but what exactly is it? )


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Hawkeye10 said:
The point went over your head.

Shove Off....at this point in my life I only invest in the worthy.
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You are free to ignore me at any time. Others with more insight into the over-arching political process, won't.


I don't particularly want to read your crap either. You are arrogant, intolerant, and narrow-minded.

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Kurmugeon said:
So, are you saying, the purpose of these forums is to trial balloon various political approaches, to get a general idea of the common voting Americans response to the approach?


If this is true, what is the function of the Internet Troll in the process?


( I assure the forum, there is a valid function of the Troll, but what exactly is it? )


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The function of the troll is to kick you in the ass to the point that you measure up.

As unlikely as this is to happen.
 
Kurmugeon said:
You are free to ignore me at any time. Others with more insight into the over-arching political process, won't.


I don't particularly want to read your crap either. You are arrogant, intolerant, and narrow-minded.

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You know what the solution to reading me is, unless you are even more of a moron than I take you for.
 
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