Is America truly free?

wiseones2cents said:
I went fishing the other day and there was this old man fishing. We started to chat and I mentioned how disgusted I was with the high gas prices. He said he has cut down on his fishing too. I stated I do not know why people are not protesting in the streets. He said people are too busy being working(being slaves). I also think they are kept distracted by drugs, alcohol, immorality(porn, prostitution), tv, sports, ect..

And when we complain, you'd think they'd lower prices but they higher them, with the startegy of forcing more into submission(financial woes). We omplain then it goes down a bit mut remains high and they laugh all the wya to the bank.

But then the conversation got interesting. He stated even if they were to complain? If wouldn't change anything. Dont you watch TV? They would call the cops to break the protests up and arrest you. I said not if the crowds were large enough. He replied, the rich would kill you before they gave up their power.

They'd probably start a war with a foreign country and put all those complainers on the front lines. Like they did with the poor in the past.

How many people believe this to be true? I have heard this belief many times. My dad being one of them.

If push came to shove and the people rose up and nationalized the oil companies(cut out all the middle men and there are many)? What would the rich do? Roll over and play dead? Or invest their money in a foreign military and invade us to regain control? Which is exactly what they did in history.
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nothing like a good war to make the sheeple fall in line, but do you have any links for your post or is it all opinion like the one about free masons...
 
wiseones2cents said:
Yes but it will be difficult for the government to get the military and cops(who TRULY pay their wages) to turn on the people. Look at that soldier that got demoted because he stated he would excercise his right to refuse orders if those orders included attacking civilians and he had every right to!

It is an old school tactic. Divide and conquer. Keep the right and left fighting each other while the people at the top are robbing us unhindered. If they were to join and see the true enemy? Change would come. That is why I wanted to see the Tea Party and Occupy party join forces in common goals.
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the soldier gave up his rights to complain about his superiors when he signed up - the foolish soldier that thought he could defy legal orders got what he deserved

as for the tea party and the occupy movement joining forces, they want two different things
 
Yurt said:
what do you mean? that the founders intended us to have unlimited rights to all arms?

yes...we are having this same discussion again.
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the founders wanted the people to be the power in this nation, and to always retain it. They experienced the oppression a central government could inflict, and they wanted the people to have all means to prevent that from occurring again in their new nation. as equally armed as any standing army, that was their intent.
 
Smarterthan\\(())// said:
the founders wanted the people to be the power in this nation, and to always retain it. They experienced the oppression a central government could inflict, and they wanted the people to have all means to prevent that from occurring again in their new nation. as equally armed as any standing army, that was their intent.
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we have a federal system because the confederate system did not work

please post link(s) to back up your claims
 
Don Quixote said:
we have a federal system because the confederate system did not work

please post link(s) to back up your claims
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as yurt has said, having this discussion again, all one needs to do is read the federalist and anti federalist papers. the constitutional convention debate minutes. all the works of the commentators during that time. it should be self explanatory after that.
 
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