Is Assange being framed?

Is Assange being framed?

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Yurt said:
exactly or any other country where these leaks exposed people

what i don't get is...everytime i ask people what the benefit is, they run and then blather about the 1st amendment...seriously....what benefit have we all been given due to the release of these documents?

answer = none
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I wouldn't say none. We know Saudi Arabia wants the US to deal with Iran. The US is buddy-buddy with SA. Does the US need any more "buddies" in the Middle East?

Who knows what back-street deals or behind-the-sand-dunes discussions are going on? Then another war? Then people saying, "Gee, how did that happen?"

How can democracy be practiced when the people don't know what's going on?

And one other point to consider. We often wonder how the terrorists can kill innocent people. Don't forget the terrorists, for the most part, come from countries that are not democratic. The governments in those countries do as they want and the people have little choice. That's not the case in the US. The people elect the government. In essence, the people decide who they'll go to war against so the terrorist's war is against the "people" as it is the people who chose government leaders who declare war.

Surely after the Iraq fiasco and the mis-communications/unreliable intelligence/Niger/aluminum tubes (aka:bullshit) the free world better shape up and know who and what they're voting for.

What say you?
 
apple0154 said:
I wouldn't say none. We know Saudi Arabia wants the US to deal with Iran. The US is buddy-buddy with SA. Does the US need any more "buddies" in the Middle East?

Who knows what back-street deals or behind-the-sand-dunes discussions are going on? Then another war? Then people saying, "Gee, how did that happen?"

How can democracy be practiced when the people don't know what's going on?

And one other point to consider. We often wonder how the terrorists can kill innocent people. Don't forget the terrorists, for the most part, come from countries that are not democratic. The governments in those countries do as they want and the people have little choice. That's not the case in the US. The people elect the government. In essence, the people decide who they'll go to war against so the terrorist's war is against the "people" as it is the people who chose government leaders who declare war.

Surely after the Iraq fiasco and the mis-communications/unreliable intelligence/Niger/aluminum tubes (aka:bullshit) the free world better shape up and know who and what they're voting for.

What say you?
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We now know that Burma is trying to build a nuclear bomb, several Arab countries wanted the US to bomb Iran, China thinks North Korea is run by nutters and that a helicopter gunship killed several innocent Iraqis and two journalists.
 
Yurt said:
exactly or any other country where these leaks exposed people

what i don't get is...everytime i ask people what the benefit is, they run and then blather about the 1st amendment...seriously....what benefit have we all been given due to the release of these documents?

answer = none
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What benefit have we all been given by the writings of Liu Xiaobo?

Yet you don't condemn him.
 
apple0154 said:
I wouldn't say none. We know Saudi Arabia wants the US to deal with Iran. The US is buddy-buddy with SA. Does the US need any more "buddies" in the Middle East?

Who knows what back-street deals or behind-the-sand-dunes discussions are going on? Then another war? Then people saying, "Gee, how did that happen?"

How can democracy be practiced when the people don't know what's going on?

And one other point to consider. We often wonder how the terrorists can kill innocent people. Don't forget the terrorists, for the most part, come from countries that are not democratic. The governments in those countries do as they want and the people have little choice. That's not the case in the US. The people elect the government. In essence, the people decide who they'll go to war against so the terrorist's war is against the "people" as it is the people who chose government leaders who declare war.

Surely after the Iraq fiasco and the mis-communications/unreliable intelligence/Niger/aluminum tubes (aka:bullshit) the free world better shape up and know who and what they're voting for.

What say you?
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i don't think knowing what saudi arabia thinks is valuable to any of us...it is not going to alter anything i do in my life, nor is it going to alter yours...in fact, it could cause hostilities to increase in the ME...

i appreciate that you tried to find something of value from the releases, but imo, the potential for harm outweighs you or i needing to know any of the information
 
Yurt said:
i don't think knowing what saudi arabia thinks is valuable to any of us...it is not going to alter anything i do in my life, nor is it going to alter yours...in fact, it could cause hostilities to increase in the ME...

i appreciate that you tried to find something of value from the releases, but imo, the potential for harm outweighs you or i needing to know any of the information
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If you really want an example of what we learned.

We learned that it was official US policy to ignore torture and that the civilian death toll in Iraq was at least 15,000 higher than previously admitted. Remarkable as we were assured there was no body count.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...Logs-show-US-ignored-torture-allegations.html
 
tom prendergast said:
We now know that Burma is trying to build a nuclear bomb, several Arab countries wanted the US to bomb Iran, China thinks North Korea is run by nutters and that a helicopter gunship killed several innocent Iraqis and two journalists.
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We also know that, despite statements to the contrary, the powers that be in Washington see no 'special relationship' between the US and the UK, indeed the word 'disdain' better describes Washington's view.

Well we knew that anyway, didn't we. Just ask Gordon Brown.
What is worse is that Cammers of the Lower Fifth has promised that the Tories foreign policy will be pro American.

I cannot for the life of me understand the idiocy of the British public in voting for this elitist government simply because they sold the word 'change'.

And now he has given his 'fag' the promise of the position of European Commissioner when he gets turfed out of his constituency. Jobs for the boys? You ain't seen nutt'n yet.

Lets get the third English Civil War underway.
 
Yurt said:
i don't think knowing what saudi arabia thinks is valuable to any of us...
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Think Gulf War.

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Yurt said:
i don't think knowing what saudi arabia thinks is valuable to any of us...it is not going to alter anything i do in my life, nor is it going to alter yours...in fact, it could cause hostilities to increase in the ME...

i appreciate that you tried to find something of value from the releases, but imo, the potential for harm outweighs you or i needing to know any of the information
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"...show the extent of US spying on its allies and the UN; turning a blind eye to corruption and human rights abuse in “client states”; backroom deals with supposedly neutral countries; lobbying for US corporations; and the measures US diplomats take to advance those who have access to them,” according to WikiLeaks’ website.

The leaks, many of which reiterate previously known facts, have also illuminated new truths, such as the recent leak that Iran now possesses 19 advanced missiles, which could be used to strike Europe.

A leak of government documents of this magnitude is unprecedented, and Assange and WikiLeaks are helping to provide something the U.S. government itself refuses to: transparency. They are making it at least possible for Americans to know what actions of war are carried out in their name and with their tax dollars...

By demonizing Assange and WikiLeaks, the U.S. government is trying to detract national attention away from the fact that the documents leaked show an American government that is, quite often, corrupt, shady and dishonest in its foreign policy.

Regardless of the Washington response to the leaks, we as citizens need to realize that WikiLeaks is performing a crucial democratic action by providing us with a window into American international actions."

http://pointeronline.uwsp.edu/lettersandopinion/1011/wikileaks.html
 
charver said:
If you really want an example of what we learned.

We learned that it was official US policy to ignore torture and that the civilian death toll in Iraq was at least 15,000 higher than previously admitted. Remarkable as we were assured there was no body count.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...Logs-show-US-ignored-torture-allegations.html
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that is disappointing at best....is there a link to the actual cable, other than wikileaks....i'm curious to the see this in full context
 
"Congressman Mike Rogers (Brighton) says the man accused by the U.S. government of leaking classified documents to the website Wikileaks should face the death penalty.

Pvt. Bradley Manning, the soldier accused in the leaks of sensitive documents relating to the ongoing war efforts in Afghanistan and Iraq, has become a cause celebre in many circles.

In an interview, Rogers also lashed out at a “culture of disclosure” which he says made Manning believe it was OK to release the documents. Rogers argues the release has jeopardized the lives of Afghanis who are working with the U.S. government’s war efforts in that country."

http://michiganmessenger.com/40542/rogers-wants-death-penalty-for-wikileaks-suspect

Yet there are no confirmed reports of such deaths.

The apologists for the US government's heavy-handed efforts to stifle dissent have yet to produce one scrap of evidence that their dire predictions have come true.

Have there been murders of US "assets" (US diplomatic code for "people who helped America")?

Some said there may have been, but the reports have been "hushed up".

Gee, so those reports were "hushed up" by the same government security folks who stopped the WikiLeaks....?
 
Americans are ignorant hypocrites.

They claim "freedom" but persecute Julian Assange for exposing the truth.

The New York Times and its global edition, the International Herald Tribune, said the public has the right to know how Washington makes big decisions that could cost the country most heavily in lives and money.

Some question the ability of the American government to protect confidential information.

If that is the case, access to vast databases of secret American government documents was rather broadly available and access was not reasonably logged.

It therefore seems the American system is set up to allow average citizens broad access to millions of classified documents without a way to monitor such access, and it allows a bulk download of these documents.
 
"WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has claimed his life is under threat as he prepares to fight an extradition attempt..."

Has someone in Washington ordered someone to assassinate Assange?
 
Mojo said:
"WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has claimed his life is under threat as he prepares to fight an extradition attempt..."

Has someone in Washington ordered someone to assassinate Assange?
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Two of your public figures have called for his death. The crime which even now is being fabricated is one of treason. As one of the few countries who still practice the death penalty I would say its a better than even bet that he would not live out his three score and ten in the US.
 
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