Is Biden trying to start WW 3?

[T. A. Gardner]

Deflection. Palestinians aren't about to invade Saudi Arabia if they conquered Israel. The other way around is we are supplying arms to Israel.

WTF?

Supporting Ukraine actually helps to weaken Russia even further and would ensure they aren't invading anything else soon.

How much weaker could Russia be than they couldn't beat a third-rate, incompetent army like the one Ukraine had when it was invaded?

At this point it is a war of attrition which Ukraine can't win without supplies to help them have superiority on the battlefield.

So, let them buy what they need.

CAMCO isn't evidence of US support. It is evidence of Chinese manufacturing using US parts purchased by China. US being opposed to Japanese expansion isn't evidence of the US providing financial support to China to fight Japan from 1931-1939. You seem to be arguing that the US could sell all the weapons that Ukraine needs as long as Ukraine is buying them.

Oh, so assembling US manufactured military equipment paid for by the US and given to China isn't evidence of the US providing financial support? I guess the billions in military equipment we've given Ukraine or Israel isn't evidence of that either then.

Yes, if Ukraine has the cash, we should sell them weapons. That doesn't necessarily mean that we should just let any nation buy any weapons they want, but it does mean we're selling them rather than just giving them away.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

WTF?

English hard for you? How much money and weapons does the US supply to Israel?

How much weaker could Russia be than they couldn't beat a third-rate, incompetent army like the one Ukraine had when it was invaded?

It makes it harder for them to rebuild.

So, let them buy what they need.

Except we aren't letting them buy what they need. We are restricting which weapons they can buy and where they can use them. Once Trump is in office it is likely they will no longer be able to purchase any US weapons.

Oh, so assembling US manufactured military equipment paid for by the US and given to China isn't evidence of the US providing financial support? I guess the billions in military equipment we've given Ukraine or Israel isn't evidence of that either then.

Yes, if Ukraine has the cash, we should sell them weapons. That doesn't necessarily mean that we should just let any nation buy any weapons they want, but it does mean we're selling them rather than just giving them away.

Where is your evidence that the US paid for what was assembled by CAMCO prior to 1940?

Boy, if only the US had required that Great Britain pay with cash for weapons, WW2 would have ended so much sooner and we would have never been involved in a war in Europe.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

English hard for you? How much money and weapons does the US supply to Israel?

Israel gets about $20 billion. And, those are sales, not donations. Ukraine has gotten about $56 billion in arms transfers. That is, Ukraine got their stuff for free.

It makes it harder for them to rebuild.

You're a fool if that's what you think. Russia is enough of a oligarchy / dictatorship (not a full one, but enough of one) that they'll just up production at the cost of the civilian economy. They can do that and the leadership stays in power.

Except we aren't letting them buy what they need. We are restricting which weapons they can buy and where they can use them. Once Trump is in office it is likely they will no longer be able to purchase any US weapons.

We do that with Israel too. At least Israel has the economy to pay for the crap were sending them. Ukraine is getting theirs for free.

Where is your evidence that the US paid for what was assembled by CAMCO prior to 1940?

The factory was paid for by the Chinese, the aircraft they assembled were part of FDR's lend-lease program. That is, they were handed over to the Chinese on a "loan" to be paid later (ie, never).

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Boy, if only the US had required that Great Britain pay with cash for weapons, WW2 would have ended so much sooner and we would have never been involved in a war in Europe.

Had it been Britain alone, no amount of weapons given them short of atomic bombs would have been sufficient to defeat Germany-- or Japan for that matter...
Also, Britain and France were paying for what they got from the US in weapons up until France fell.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Israel gets about $20 billion. And, those are sales, not donations. Ukraine has gotten about $56 billion in arms transfers. That is, Ukraine got their stuff for free.

You really like to show your ignorance. Maybe you should do some research before you post.

https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/files/cow/imce/papers/2023/2024/Costs%20of%20War_US%20Support%20Since%20Oct%207%20FINAL%20v2.pdf

The United States government has approved at least $17.9 billion in security
assistance for Israeli military operations in Gaza and elsewhere from October 7, 2023
through September 2024, but this figure represents only a partial picture of total U.S.
support for the Israeli Defense Forces over that time period.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/20/politics/us-israel-ukraine-aid-package/index.html

$14.3 billion in aid for Israel​

• $10.6 billion for assistance through the Defense Department, including air and missile defense support, industrial base investments and replenishment of US stocks being drawn down to support Israel.

Do you need to see the actual legislation before you will stop with your ignorance?

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/815/text

You're a fool if that's what you think. Russia is enough of a oligarchy / dictatorship (not a full one, but enough of one) that they'll just up production at the cost of the civilian economy. They can do that and the leadership stays in power.


We do that with Israel too. At least Israel has the economy to pay for the crap were sending them. Ukraine is getting theirs for free.

Israel is getting almost identical assistance to what Ukraine is getting. Ukraine is just getting more at the moment and it's nothing compared to what Israel has received over time.
(Ukraine -)
$30 billion for the Defense Department for equipment for Ukraine and the replenishment of US stocks.
-...
(Israel -)
$10.6 billion for assistance through the Defense Department, including air and missile defense support, industrial base investments and replenishment of US stocks being drawn down to support Israel.

The factory was paid for by the Chinese, the aircraft they assembled were part of FDR's lend-lease program. That is, they were handed over to the Chinese on a "loan" to be paid later (ie, never).

You might want to read your sources.

The factory was financed by the Chinese Nationalist government in Chongqing
...
outside Rangoon to assemble the 100 Curtiss P-40 fighters sold to China to equip the AVG.

Your source clearly states the parts were SOLD to China.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

You really like to show your ignorance. Maybe you should do some research before you post.

https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/files/cow/imce/papers/2023/2024/Costs%20of%20War_US%20Support%20Since%20Oct%207%20FINAL%20v2.pdf

The United States government has approved at least $17.9 billion in security
assistance for Israeli military operations in Gaza and elsewhere from October 7, 2023
through September 2024, but this figure represents only a partial picture of total U.S.
support for the Israeli Defense Forces over that time period.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/20/politics/us-israel-ukraine-aid-package/index.html

$14.3 billion in aid for Israel​

• $10.6 billion for assistance through the Defense Department, including air and missile defense support, industrial base investments and replenishment of US stocks being drawn down to support Israel.

Do you need to see the actual legislation before you will stop with your ignorance?

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/815/text

Israel is getting almost identical assistance to what Ukraine is getting. Ukraine is just getting more at the moment and it's nothing compared to what Israel has received over time.
(Ukraine -)
$30 billion for the Defense Department for equipment for Ukraine and the replenishment of US stocks.
-...
(Israel -)
$10.6 billion for assistance through the Defense Department, including air and missile defense support, industrial base investments and replenishment of US stocks being drawn down to support Israel.

You might want to read your sources.

The factory was financed by the Chinese Nationalist government in Chongqing.

The factory was, the planes weren't.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

The factory was, the planes weren't.

Yeah.. there is NOTHING there to show the US government supplied them free. In fact it says the opposite

outside Rangoon to assemble the 100 Curtiss P-40 fighters sold to China to equip the AVG