Is Christies' political career over?

[Jarod]

Im on my way home... I just wanted to point out how fast the Conservatives ran when I pointed out the hypocrisy. Maybe Im wrong and they will respond over night. Ill try to check in after the kids are in bed.

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But meeting with the IRS scandal lady is not the same as working every day with your chief of staff who reports DIRECTLY to you.

Additionally we know that the IRS scandal lady's "meetings" were mostly all social events at the White House.

We don't know that President Obama met with the IRS lady at all. We know Christie worked directly with his chief of staff on a daily basis.

Yet to them, clearly Obama is guilty and Christie is innocent.

This!

 

[Damocles]

I'll get back to you later on this one, today I'm dealing with improving the board.

I will set the stage though.

Only to Jarod could 118 meetings (the previous President had 1 in the preceding four years) with the people that Obama met with every day, to paraphrase another poster in this thread: how could he "possibly not have known what the person in the office next to his" was doing) mean that one person had to be ignorant of what was happening right under his nose while one email means that another must know when the other person dropped their kid off at preschool.

It's absurd to pretend that one "must" know while the other couldn't possibly have known.

The only difference, the press wanted to shove one under a rug, the other deals with "traffic"..

 

[Big Money]

It's not my job to object when my fellow leftists do it.. But You did it to ME and that makes it my job.

Your objection has been noted and will be considered with all the gravity it merits, Counselor.

BTW, FTFY.

 

[christiefan915]

More obtuseness. Refer to Jarod's comment "Imagine how insane the right on this board, etc."

What cons ON THIS BOARD criticized "Bridgegate"?

"Using public facilities for selfish ends is the very definition of corruption, which is why this scandal bothers people far outside the conservative orbit.

It took months for the episode to hit the big time because so many (the governor claims he’s one of them) had difficulty believing that government officials would act as recklessly as Christie’s gang did — and with such indifference to how their actions would affect the lives of people in northern New Jersey who were bystanders to an insider game.

Christie was finally moved to condemn the indefensible only after the smoking gun emerged in the form of e-mails from his staff and his appointees. Their contents reflected a vindictive urge to squelch all resistance to the governor’s political interests."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...f9a762-7bbe-11e3-95c6-0a7aa80874bc_story.html

 

[signalmankenneth]

 

[Big Money]

I think Christie is toast, regardless of his personal guilt or innocence.

 

[The Dude]

Because of his lack of treadmill work!

 

[Canceled.2014.2]

Because of his lack of treadmill work!

Come on now...he is at fighting weight...for a tank....

 

[The Dude]

Come on now...he is at fighting weight...for a tank....

He's the fattest lapband surgery person I've seen.
He could sumo wrestle though

 

[Big Money]

I guess it's acceptable to attack a candidates' personal appearance. Good to know.

 

[maineman]

Hey... democrats gave republicans a fat pass with Taft.... if you don't pay back, then we get to go after tubbablubba Christie!

 

[Canceled.2014.2]

Hey... democrats gave republicans a fat pass with Taft.... if you don't pay back, then we get to go after tubbablubba Christie!

Although Taft was a man with much higher ethics than Christie.

 

[Big Money]

Hag references will be OK in future, then?

 

[The Dude]

Says capt hildebeast

 

[Jarod]

I'll get back to you later on this one, today I'm dealing with improving the board.

I will set the stage though.

Only to Jarod could 118 meetings (the previous President had 1 in the preceding four years) with the people that Obama met with every day, to paraphrase another poster in this thread: how could he "possibly not have known what the person in the office next to his" was doing) mean that one person had to be ignorant of what was happening right under his nose while one email means that another must know when the other person dropped their kid off at preschool.

It's absurd to pretend that one "must" know while the other couldn't possibly have known.

The only difference, the press wanted to shove one under a rug, the other deals with "traffic"..

So, you are spouting the same shit. First, who did she meet with, if anyone, in her 110 meetings? Did you know they do weekly social events on the White House lawn that count as part of those 118 visits? Do you know if she ever meet President Obama?

Do you not see that this is different than your Chief of Staff who it can safely be assumed that you meet with on a daily basis, and directly supervise?

So, Conservatives on this board viciously attacked President Obama for the IRS situation, yet are defending Christie. While all the evidence shows that Christie was closer to the malfeasance than Obama was.

On the other hand, I give Christie the benefit of the doubt, unless something else comes up, I will assume he was not involved and truly outraged like he said he is.

 

[maineman]

Hag references will be OK in future, then?

in the future? you've been rude and insulting to the former secretary of state since the dawn of time.

 

[christiefan915]

So, you are spouting the same shit. First, who did she meet with, if anyone, in her 110 meetings? Did you know they do weekly social events on the White House lawn that count as part of those 118 visits? Do you know if she ever meet President Obama?

Do you not see that this is different than your Chief of Staff who it can safely be assumed that you meet with on a daily basis, and directly supervise?

So, Conservatives on this board viciously attacked President Obama for the IRS situation, yet are defending Christie. While all the evidence shows that Christie was closer to the malfeasance than Obama was.

On the other hand, I give Christie the benefit of the doubt, unless something else comes up, I will assume he was not involved and truly outraged like he said he is.

They have selective memory when it comes to the IRS and bush did the very same thing. Another interesting little factoid: "Employees... went after Tea Party groups because those seemed like they might be political. Keep in mind, the commissioner of the IRS at the time was a Bush appointee."

“I wish there was more GOP interest when I raised the same issue during the Bush administration, where they audited a progressive church in my district in what look liked a very selective way,” California Democratic Rep. Adam Schiff said on MSNBC Monday. “I found only one Republican, [North Carolina Rep. Walter Jones], that would join me in calling for an investigation during the Bush administration. I’m glad now that the GOP has found interest in this issue and it ought to be a bipartisan concern.”

The well-known church, All Saints Episcopal in Pasadena, became a bit of a cause célèbre on the left after the IRS threatened to revoke the church’s tax-exempt status over an anti-Iraq War sermon the Sunday before the 2004 election. “Jesus [would say], ‘Mr. President, your doctrine of preemptive war is a failed doctrine,’” rector George Regas said from the dais...

...In 2004, the IRS went after the NAACP, auditing the nation’s oldest civil rights group after its chairman criticized President Bush for being the first sitting president since Herbert Hoover not to address the organization...

...in 2006, the Wall Street Journal broke the story of a how a little-known pressure group called Public Interest Watch — which received 97 percent of its funds from Exxon Mobile one year — managed to get the IRS to open an investigation into Greenpeace. Greenpeace had labeled Exxon Mobil the “No. 1 climate criminal.”

http://www.salon.com/2013/05/14/when_the_irs_targeted_liberals/

 

[Althea]

Christie claimed that he couldn't pick the mayor of Ft. Lee out of a lineup.

Really? Ft. Lee is going through a $1billion project right now. Major construction, right next to the GW bridge. In fact, the sales pitch for investors, is proximity to the bridge, with special access lanes for people who live there.

Christie isn't aware of who the mayor is?

 

[Jarod]

They have selective memory when it comes to the IRS and bush did the very same thing. Another interesting little factoid: "Employees... went after Tea Party groups because those seemed like they might be political. Keep in mind, the commissioner of the IRS at the time was a Bush appointee."

“I wish there was more GOP interest when I raised the same issue during the Bush administration, where they audited a progressive church in my district in what look liked a very selective way,” California Democratic Rep. Adam Schiff said on MSNBC Monday. “I found only one Republican, [North Carolina Rep. Walter Jones], that would join me in calling for an investigation during the Bush administration. I’m glad now that the GOP has found interest in this issue and it ought to be a bipartisan concern.”

The well-known church, All Saints Episcopal in Pasadena, became a bit of a cause célèbre on the left after the IRS threatened to revoke the church’s tax-exempt status over an anti-Iraq War sermon the Sunday before the 2004 election. “Jesus [would say], ‘Mr. President, your doctrine of preemptive war is a failed doctrine,’” rector George Regas said from the dais...

...In 2004, the IRS went after the NAACP, auditing the nation’s oldest civil rights group after its chairman criticized President Bush for being the first sitting president since Herbert Hoover not to address the organization...

...in 2006, the Wall Street Journal broke the story of a how a little-known pressure group called Public Interest Watch — which received 97 percent of its funds from Exxon Mobile one year — managed to get the IRS to open an investigation into Greenpeace. Greenpeace had labeled Exxon Mobil the “No. 1 climate criminal.”

http://www.salon.com/2013/05/14/when_the_irs_targeted_liberals/

Well, if you want to go into the IRS situation a little deeper, the TEA party was wrongfully targeted, but it was a part of a larger protocol trying to stop political organizations, liberal and conservative, from wrongfully claiming certain tax exemptions. The name TEA PARTY was overly and wrongfully singled out because it was widely used by organizations that were using the exemption wrongfully, using the words TEA PARTY was a lazy way of finding those groups.

Liberal groups don't have a centralized code word like TEA PARTY, so they were not as uniquely singled out.

 

[christiefan915]

Well, if you want to go into the IRS situation a little deeper, the TEA party was wrongfully targeted, but it was a part of a larger protocol trying to stop political organizations, liberal and conservative, from wrongfully claiming certain tax exemptions. The name TEA PARTY was overly and wrongfully singled out because it was widely used by organizations that were using the exemption wrongfully, using the words TEA PARTY was a lazy way of finding those groups.

Liberal groups don't have a centralized code word like TEA PARTY, so they were not as uniquely singled out.

I agree the TP shouldn't have been targeted, definitely. But there seems to be a pattern of targeting along party lines no matter who's president.