Is fascism left wing?

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Various conservative authorities at JPP have told us so. But now that there’s a real prospect of fascists coming to power in Italy (again), RWNJs are drooling over it!



Dmitry Medvedev - former Russian president and Putin puppet - has crowed over prime minister Draghi’s fall. He expects that more pro-Ukrainian leaders like Johnson and Draghi could soon be forced out of power.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/07/16/collapse-italian-government-plays-putins-hands


P.S. Don’t forget to send off for your MyPillows as recommended by the loudmouth in the video. :rolleyes:
 
Tranquillus in Exile said:
Various conservative authorities at JPP have told us so. But now that there’s a real prospect of fascists coming to power in Italy (again), RWNJs are drooling over it!



Dmitry Medvedev - former Russian president and Putin puppet - has crowed over prime minister Draghi’s fall. He expects that more pro-Ukrainian leaders like Johnson and Draghi could soon be forced out of power.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/07/16/collapse-italian-government-plays-putins-hands


P.S. Don’t forget to send off for your MyPillows as recommended by the loudmouth in the video. :rolleyes:
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I watched the video. Explain to me, with examples, why those cited in the video are "fascists." What exact things make them "fascist?"
 
Tranquillus in Exile said:
Various conservative authorities at JPP have told us so. But now that there’s a real prospect of fascists coming to power in Italy (again), RWNJs are drooling over it!



Dmitry Medvedev - former Russian president and Putin puppet - has crowed over prime minister Draghi’s fall. He expects that more pro-Ukrainian leaders like Johnson and Draghi could soon be forced out of power.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/07/16/collapse-italian-government-plays-putins-hands


P.S. Don’t forget to send off for your MyPillows as recommended by the loudmouth in the video. :rolleyes:
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NAZIs vs Communist, which one is left which one is right?
 
Tranquillus in Exile said:
Various conservative authorities at JPP have told us so. But now that there’s a real prospect of fascists coming to power in Italy (again), RWNJs are drooling over it!



Dmitry Medvedev - former Russian president and Putin puppet - has crowed over prime minister Draghi’s fall. He expects that more pro-Ukrainian leaders like Johnson and Draghi could soon be forced out of power.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/07/16/collapse-italian-government-plays-putins-hands


P.S. Don’t forget to send off for your MyPillows as recommended by the loudmouth in the video. :rolleyes:
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Fascism is a form of socialism. It is government manipulation of markets. It is theft of wealth. Like communism (government ownership of markets), and slavery (ownership of men), socialism brings misery. It can only be implemented by tyrannical governments such as oligarchies and dictatorships. People don't like their wealth being stolen.

Neither communism, fascism, slavery, nor capitalism are a form of government.

Capitalism, which is the voluntary production of products and services for voluntary purchase, is the only economic system that creates wealth. Socialism could not exist without it, since socialism doesn't create anything (other than misery). It needs capitalism creating wealth so socialism can steal it.

Democrats support fascism. They have discarded the Constitution of the United States, committed election fraud to the point of faulting the election, and installed Biden as Chief Puppet.
As to Italy, the conservatives there are facing the same nonsense BS from the Democrats. It is the DEMOCRATS that are fascist. It is the DEMOCRATS that embrace socialism. It is DEMOCRATS projecting what they are onto conservatives. That's an inversion fallacy, dude.

Remember, Italy is NOT an independent state. It is part of the European Union. The form of government of the EU is an oligarchy, more or less following a document known as the Lisbon Treaty. The form of government within Italy itself is an oligarchy. They more or less follow a 'constitution', which isn't a constitution, since the government itself can change it at will.
 
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Defender of Honor said:
NAZIs vs Communist, which one is left which one is right?
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There are no Nazis. The Nazi party was destroyed during WW2. I assume you mean 'fascist'.

They are both forms of socialism. Both are 'left', or favored by Democrats.
Fascism is government manipulation of markets.
Communism is government ownership of markets.
 
Into the Night said:
Fascism is a form of socialism. It is government manipulation of markets. It is theft of wealth. Like communism (government ownership of markets), and slavery (ownership of men), socialism brings misery. It can only be implemented by tyrannical governments such as oligarchies and dictatorships. People don't like their wealth being stolen.

Neither communism, fascism, slavery, nor capitalism are a form of government.

Capitalism, which is the voluntary production of products and services for voluntary purchase, is the only economic system that creates wealth. Socialism could not exist without it, since socialism doesn't create anything (other than misery). It needs capitalism creating wealth so socialism can steal it.

Democrats support fascism. They have discarded the Constitution of the United States, committed election fraud to the point of faulting the election, and installed Biden as Chief Puppet.
As to Italy, the conservatives there are facing the same nonsense BS from the Democrats. It is the DEMOCRATS that are fascist. It is the DEMOCRATS that embrace socialism. It is DEMOCRATS projecting what they are onto conservatives. That's an inversion fallacy, dude.

Remember, Italy is NOT an independent state. It is part of the European Union. The form of government of the EU is an oligarchy, more or less following a document known as the Lisbon Treaty. The form of government within Italy itself is an oligarchy. They more or less follow a 'constitution', which isn't a constitution, since the government itself can change it at will.
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Fascism is also a political system where the State controls society in minute detail. Some examples of how this might occur in a country run by a fascist government:

All private education is outlawed or severely restricted with strict oversight by the state. Public education is the only system allowed.
Social scoring systems are in place. Your correct behavior and allegiance to the state are monitored.
Social norms are required, such as a dress code, heavy regulation of any vice to include smoking, drinking, etc.
The state wants to raise your children in place of you. That is, your child must go to daycare, then to a public school, then to approved group activities, etc.
Public transit is pushed heavily because the state controls it.
If worker's unions are allowed, they are heavily political and hew to the state dogma. They expect their members to do the same.

Those are typical things a fascist government would do politically to control society.
 
Into the Night said:
There are no Nazis. The Nazi party was destroyed during WW2. I assume you mean 'fascist'.

They are both forms of socialism. Both are 'left', or favored by Democrats.
Fascism is government manipulation of markets.
Communism is government ownership of markets.
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Wrong! America has Nazis! Most are Trump supporters! Right wing fascist
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Fascism is also a political system where the State controls society in minute detail. Some examples of how this might occur in a country run by a fascist government:

All private education is outlawed or severely restricted with strict oversight by the state. Public education is the only system allowed.
Social scoring systems are in place. Your correct behavior and allegiance to the state are monitored.
Social norms are required, such as a dress code, heavy regulation of any vice to include smoking, drinking, etc.
The state wants to raise your children in place of you. That is, your child must go to daycare, then to a public school, then to approved group activities, etc.
Public transit is pushed heavily because the state controls it.
If worker's unions are allowed, they are heavily political and hew to the state dogma. They expect their members to do the same.

Those are typical things a fascist government would do politically to control society.
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Fascism is not a political system. It is an economic system. It is government manipulation of markets. It can occur in a variety of political systems, including oligarchies and dictatorships.
What you are describing is communism, another form of socialism. That is government ownership of markets.

In this case, you are describing government ownership of education, clothing, daycare, and unions. You are also confusing communism with the government structure necessary to implement it, an oligarchy or dictatorship. People don't like their wealth being stolen, so tyranny is necessary.


Communism is not fascism, but they ARE both forms of socialism, and as such, theft of wealth.

Just what is happening with the Democrats today.
 
Into the Night said:
Fascism is not a political system. It is an economic system. It is government manipulation of markets. It can occur in a variety of political systems, including oligarchies and dictatorships.
What you are describing is communism, another form of socialism. That is government ownership of markets.

In this case, you are describing government ownership of education, clothing, daycare, and unions. You are also confusing communism with the government structure necessary to implement it, an oligarchy or dictatorship. People don't like their wealth being stolen, so tyranny is necessary.


Communism is not fascism, but they ARE both forms of socialism, and as such, theft of wealth.

Just what is happening with the Democrats today.
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The big difference between Communism and Fascism in social / political policy is that Communism is internationalist in outlook. That is, it wants a One-World-Government. Fascism on the other hand, is nationalist. That is, it seeks to establish an exclusionary state based on race, language, culture, etc. Both are types of political and economic systems that hail from the radical Left.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Fascism is also a political system where the State controls society in minute detail. Some examples of how this might occur in a country run by a fascist government:

All private education is outlawed or severely restricted with strict oversight by the state. Public education is the only system allowed.
Social scoring systems are in place. Your correct behavior and allegiance to the state are monitored.
Social norms are required, such as a dress code, heavy regulation of any vice to include smoking, drinking, etc.
The state wants to raise your children in place of you. That is, your child must go to daycare, then to a public school, then to approved group activities, etc.
Public transit is pushed heavily because the state controls it.
If worker's unions are allowed, they are heavily political and hew to the state dogma. They expect their members to do the same.

Those are typical things a fascist government would do politically to control society.
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This sounds like a totalitarian system because nothing distinguishes it from other totalitarian systems.
 
Flash said:
This sounds like a totalitarian system because nothing distinguishes it from other totalitarian systems.
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Its distinguishing characteristic is that Fascism is nationalist. Communism is internationalist. Both are Leftwing, both result in dictatorships.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Its distinguishing characteristic is that Fascism is nationalist. Communism is internationalist. Both are Leftwing, both result in dictatorships.
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Most countries are dictatorships, that does not make them left-wing. Hitler and Mussolini were not left-wing.

I don't see anything internationalist in Cuba or North Korea.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
The big difference between Communism and Fascism in social / political policy is that Communism is internationalist in outlook. That is, it wants a One-World-Government. Fascism on the other hand, is nationalist. That is, it seeks to establish an exclusionary state based on race, language, culture, etc. Both are types of political and economic systems that hail from the radical Left.
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Not the difference between fascism and communism. Communism can occur just nationally, and fascism can occur internationally.
BOTH fascism and communism are forms of socialism.

To implement it requires an oligarchy or dictatorship. Such oligarchies or dictatorships DO dream of being the World government.
Indeed, that was the [i[]meaning[/i] of why the swastika was on the Nazi flag! It was there to represent the dream of spreading the dictatorship of Hitler across the entire world, and with it, the fascism and communism that it advocated.

The right-hand swastika has always represented the outward influence of the temple (or religion) across a society. Indeed, you see this symbol on many temples today...especially in Asia and even in the United States, still carrying it's original meaning.
 
Merriam-Webster DEFINITIONS:

Fascism - a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
2: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control


Communism - a doctrine based on revolutionary Marxian socialism and Marxism-Leninism that was the official ideology of the Soviet Union
b: a totalitarian system of government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned means of production
c: a final stage of society in Marxist theory in which the state has withered away and economic goods are distributed equitably


Socialism - any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

Capitalism - an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market


Theocracy - : government of a state by immediate divine guidance or by officials who are regarded as divinely guided


Dictatorship - a despotic state, a government organization or group in which absolute power is so concentrated, a form of government in which absolute power is concentrated in a dictator or a small clique, autocratic rule, control, or leadership (dictator - one holding complete autocratic control : a person with unlimited governmental power)

Oligarchy - a government in which a small group exercises control especially for corrupt and selfish purposes

Democracy - government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections

Autocracy - government in which one person possesses unlimited power
 
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T. A. Gardner said:
Fascism is also a political system where the State controls society in minute detail. Some examples of how this might occur in a country run by a fascist government:

All private education is outlawed or severely restricted with strict oversight by the state. Public education is the only system allowed.
Social scoring systems are in place. Your correct behavior and allegiance to the state are monitored.
Social norms are required, such as a dress code, heavy regulation of any vice to include smoking, drinking, etc.
The state wants to raise your children in place of you. That is, your child must go to daycare, then to a public school, then to approved group activities, etc.
Public transit is pushed heavily because the state controls it.
If worker's unions are allowed, they are heavily political and hew to the state dogma. They expect their members to do the same.

Those are typical things a fascist government would do politically to control society.
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Yep. You described GQP indeed.
 
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