Is it a trend? I agree in a 2nd TACO idea!

Damocles said:
So, when are the green cards issued? My bet is that he has never suggested the same thing as what Reagan did, and it isn't amnesty to simply allow folks a permit to harvest and go home.
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If you allow them a permit after they are already here illegally = amnesty, but like I said… if you want to call it something different, so it’s ok, that is fine with me.

If they can convert their status from illegal to legal, without going home = amnesty.
 
Damocles said:
So, no amnesty then.

When Reagan did amnesty, folks who were here illegally from 1982 or earlier first got temporary residence then after 1.5 years simply obtained green cards. That is not remotely what they are talking about here.
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That would be a different amnesty system. Still amnesty, and improvement from his previous positions.
 
Jarod said:
If you allow them a permit after they are already here illegally = amnesty, but like I said… if you want to call it something different, so it’s ok, that is fine with me.
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It depends on what they come up with.

Amnesty with Reagan (as mentioned earlier in the thread) ended with Green Cards and permanent residency. In this case... Not so much.

If we wind up with folks getting temp visas to come here and harvest then it won't be any form of amnesty. If, as they have been saying, they are focusing on folks that have broken more laws than just crossing and sending those folks home first... Not going after farm workers seems to be within that purview.

I will wait to see what we wind up with. If it were me, they'd have to go and apply at the border for a temporary visa or they would face deportation. I wouldn't be hassling farm workers though, I'd be focused on drug traffickers, and human traffickers... once we've cleaned that up I'd then turn to the farms, by that time they'd have had plenty of time to get back across the border to apply for a temporary visa.
 
Damocles said:
It depends on what they come up with.

Amnesty with Reagan (as mentioned earlier in the thread) ended with Green Cards and permanent residency. In this case... Not so much.

If we wind up with folks getting temp visas to come here and harvest then it won't be any form of amnesty. If, as they have been saying, they are focusing on folks that have broken more laws than just crossing and sending those folks home first... Not going after farm workers seems to be within that purview.

I will wait to see what we wind up with. If it were me, they'd have to go and apply at the border for a temporary visa or they would face deportation. I wouldn't be hassling farm workers though, I'd be focused on drug traffickers, and human traffickers... once we've cleaned that up I'd then turn to the farms, by that time they'd have had plenty of time to get back across the border to apply for a temporary visa.
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Converting someone’s status from legal to illegal, even if with a permit = amnesty.

I doubt TACO will do it. He should!
 
TACO knows amnesty is the only way that will work, but he can’t do it because of how much he attacked Democrats for suggesting it.
 
Jarod said:
Converting someone’s status from legal to illegal, even if with a permit = amnesty.

I doubt TACO will do it. He should!
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Again, it depends on what we wind up with. Giving some folks a change to rectify their status by returning and getting a temp visa, not so much.

However, even giving them temporary passes is still not the same thing as what Reagan provided (as someone named Phantasmal tried to say earlier)... lol.

Anyway, I will wait to see what we wind up with. Going after "those folks over there" while passing something that would allow folks to get a permit at the border then harvest and return home afterward... I don't think that is "amnesty", nor do I think you would think it was amnesty.
 
Damocles said:
Again, it depends on what we wind up with. Giving some folks a change to rectify their status by returning and getting a temp visa, not so much.

However, even giving them temporary passes is still not the same thing as what Reagan provided (as someone named Phantasmal tried to say earlier)... lol.

Anyway, I will wait to see what we wind up with. Going after "those folks over there" while passing something that would allow folks to get a permit at the border then harvest and return home afterward... I don't think that is "amnesty", nor do I think you would think it was amnesty.
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So we will agree that we won’t prosecute them for past crimes, if they go home and come back with a job on a farm?
 
Jarod said:
www.informationliberation.com

Trump Announces He's Working on Mass Amnesty Plan for Illegal Aliens After Passing 'Big Beautiful Bill'

In his first speech after the House passed his 'Big Beautiful Bill,' President Trump on Thursday announced he's working on a mass amnesty for potentially millions of illega
www.informationliberation.com

I’ve been saying for decades the only way to solve the issue of so many undocumented people is to create an amnesty program.
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They are just going to give them job related VISAS not amnesty.
 
Jarod said:
So we will agree that we won’t prosecute them for past crimes, if they go home and come back with a job on a farm?
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If they self deport they are eligible for a job visa if they have no criminal history. Noem is all over the TV telling people to self deport and the may have a chance to legally come back. So nothing has really changed.
 
FastLane said:
If they self deport they are eligible for a job visa if they have no criminal history. Noem is all over the TV telling people to self deport and the may have a chance to legally come back. So nothing has really changed.
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But we are talking about people who previously came here illegally, so they do have criminal history.
 
Damocles said:
What do you think the self deport idea is?
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What do you mean? If there is an agreement they won’t be prosecuted for the prior crimes of crossing illegally it is amnesty. Like I said call it what you want if that helps TACO to feel better about supporting it.
 
Jarod said:
What do you mean? If there is an agreement they won’t be prosecuted for the prior crimes of crossing illegally it is amnesty. Like I said call it what you want if that helps TACO to feel better about supporting it.
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We don't take names of people who are leaving the country voluntarily it is a waste of man power.. So how would we know if they had been here illegally?
 
Jarod said:
www.informationliberation.com

Trump Announces He's Working on Mass Amnesty Plan for Illegal Aliens After Passing 'Big Beautiful Bill'

In his first speech after the House passed his 'Big Beautiful Bill,' President Trump on Thursday announced he's working on a mass amnesty for potentially millions of illega
www.informationliberation.com

I’ve been saying for decades the only way to solve the issue of so many undocumented people is to create an amnesty program.
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Stupid fuck has been getting pressure from his big money donors. First he creates chaos across the country, and then he plays the benevolent overlord.

Fuck him. He needs to go.
 
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