Is 'Obamacare' really that long?
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Obamacrats will stop at nothing to pull the wool over other people's eyes.
christiefan915
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USA Today says there are 11,000 pages of regulations, christiecommunistfan.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/10/23/affordable-care-act-pages-long/3174499/
Don't you shills realize that it doesn't matter how you present a pile of shit, it's still a pile of shit?
Go log back on to healthcare.gov and keep drooling.
Nice try granulomatosis. Even when RW sites add in the regulations, they still stupidly claim that the law itself is only is 2,700 pages long.
"They sure do grow up fast.
In the three years since Obamacare — the legislative darling of the president’s first term — was signed into law, it has grown from an adorable 2,700-page binder full of rules and kickbacks into a towering 7-foot-3-inch, 300-pound behemoth totaling more than 20,000 pages of byzantine mandates and regulations. When House speaker Nancy Pelosi (D., Calif.) sald “We have to pass the bill so you can find out what is in it,” she wasn’t kidding."
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/343654/obamacare-ugly-duckling-andrew-stiles
christiefan915
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I love how she pretends it's the number of pages in the law that's the issue...
And I love how you guys move the goalposts when your claims are shot down with facts.
christiefan915
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A compliment from a rightie. I'm honored.
Don't be. Comparing you to Desh isn't meant as a compliment.
christiefan915
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'k, Stormy. Message received.
Obamacare.....The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act
Introduced in the House as the "Service Members Home Ownership Tax Act of 2009" (H.R. 3590) by Charles Rangel (D–NY) on September 17, 2009
Passed the House on October 8, 2009 (416–0)
Passed the Senate as the "Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act" on December 24, 2009 (60–39) with amendment
The evening of Dec. 24, Christmas Eve......pretty slick, huh ?
the Affordable Health Care for America Act as originally drafted never became law.
A different bill, under the same bill number H.R. 3962, was eventually passed by Congress and, on June 25, 2010, was signed by the President. This is the "Preservation of Access to Care for Medicare Beneficiaries and Pension Relief Act of 2010
SHORT TITLE(S) AS INTRODUCED:
Affordable Health Care for America Act
Indian Health Care Improvement Act Amendments of 2009
SHORT TITLE(S) AS PASSED HOUSE:
Affordable Health Care for America Act
Preservation of Access to Care for Medicare Beneficiaries and Pension Relief Act of 2010
Indian Health Care Improvement Act Amendments of 2009
SHORT TITLE(S) AS PASSED SENATE:
Preservation of Access to Care for Medicare Beneficiaries and Pension Relief Act of 2010
SHORT TITLE(S) AS ENACTED:
Preservation of Access to Care for Medicare Beneficiaries and Pension Relief Act of 2010
OFFICIAL TITLE AS INTRODUCED:
To provide affordable, quality health care for all Americans and reduce the growth in health care spending, and for other purposes.
OFFICIAL TITLE AS AMENDED BY SENATE:
An act to provide a physician payment update, to provide pension funding relief, and for other purposes.
Since March 2010, when President Barack Obama signed the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA) and its companion Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act (HCERA), various federal agencies have published in the Federal Register 110 final regulations governing how Obamacare will be implemented.
Those regulations add up to 10,535 pages in the Federal Register.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:HR03962:@@@T
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affordable_Health_Care_for_America_Act
Its legislative history is as convoluted as the bill itself....
Introduced in the House as the "Service Members Home Ownership Tax Act of 2009" (H.R. 3590) by Charles Rangel (D–NY) on September 17, 2009
Passed the House on October 8, 2009 (416–0)
Passed the Senate as the "Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act" on December 24, 2009 (60–39) with amendment
The evening of Dec. 24, Christmas Eve......pretty slick, huh ?
the Affordable Health Care for America Act as originally drafted never became law.
A different bill, under the same bill number H.R. 3962, was eventually passed by Congress and, on June 25, 2010, was signed by the President. This is the "Preservation of Access to Care for Medicare Beneficiaries and Pension Relief Act of 2010
SHORT TITLE(S) AS INTRODUCED:
Affordable Health Care for America Act
Indian Health Care Improvement Act Amendments of 2009
SHORT TITLE(S) AS PASSED HOUSE:
Affordable Health Care for America Act
Preservation of Access to Care for Medicare Beneficiaries and Pension Relief Act of 2010
Indian Health Care Improvement Act Amendments of 2009
SHORT TITLE(S) AS PASSED SENATE:
Preservation of Access to Care for Medicare Beneficiaries and Pension Relief Act of 2010
SHORT TITLE(S) AS ENACTED:
Preservation of Access to Care for Medicare Beneficiaries and Pension Relief Act of 2010
OFFICIAL TITLE AS INTRODUCED:
To provide affordable, quality health care for all Americans and reduce the growth in health care spending, and for other purposes.
OFFICIAL TITLE AS AMENDED BY SENATE:
An act to provide a physician payment update, to provide pension funding relief, and for other purposes.
Since March 2010, when President Barack Obama signed the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA) and its companion Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act (HCERA), various federal agencies have published in the Federal Register 110 final regulations governing how Obamacare will be implemented.
Those regulations add up to 10,535 pages in the Federal Register.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:HR03962:@@@T
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affordable_Health_Care_for_America_Act
Its legislative history is as convoluted as the bill itself....
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Rep. John Conyers, D-Mich. (2009) - What good is reading the bill if it’s a thousand pages and you don’t have two days and two lawyers to find out what it means after you read the bill?”
Nobody cares about your stupid opinion, communistfan #915, as Obamacare remains a pile of shit. Nothing can change that fact.
Now let's talk about the 11,000 pages of regulations. Why do you think there are so many damn pages in the first place? Is it because that's how many pages the government needs to seize control of this part of everyone else's lives, or is it that they are SO moronic, that it takes 11,000 pages to articulate what it would take reasonably intelligent people to articulate in a fraction of those pages? Perhaps it's a combination both. What do you think, christiecomrade?
I love how you idiots defend steaming piles of shit with your lives.
Well there you go, there's only 906 pages contained in this abomination passed by Democrat dimwits who claimed you can only know what is in the legislation after it is passed.
I can't tell you how relieved I am to find out it is a mere 906 pages.
Yes Christie, you really are THAT stupid.
I can't tell you how relieved I am to find out it is a mere 906 pages.
Yes Christie, you really are THAT stupid.
christiefan915
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As is lots of legislative history on lots of bills....
christiefan915
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I don't know if there are really 11,000 pages of regulations, or if cons are just making it up.
But: "The new health insurance rules will help states to make decisions regarding their exchanges and will help health insurance companies understand how to structure their plans. ObamaCare's new rules on health insurance also help consumers consumers to understand and compare health plans and employers to promote and encourage wellness."
So we're talking fifty states and countless health insurance companies. Think that might have something to do with it, Mr. Mugabe?
That would be Komrade with a "K", Mr. Mugabe.
I don't know if there are really 11,000 pages of regulations, or if cons are just making it up.
But: "The new health insurance rules will help states to make decisions regarding their exchanges and will help health insurance companies understand how to structure their plans. ObamaCare's new rules on health insurance also help consumers consumers to understand and compare health plans and employers to promote and encourage wellness."
So we're talking fifty states and countless health insurance companies. Think that might have something to do with it, Mr. Mugabe?
The PDF version of HR 3960 is 2,409 pages
The PDF version of HR 3962 is 1,990 pages
The PDF version of PUBLIC LAW 111–148 is 906 pages
The TEXT version is 1132 pages in MS Word
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USA Today says there are 11,000 pages of regulations (October 25, 2013)
the Web site for the Federal Register and searched for “Affordable Care Act,” the official name for the health-care law. That turned up 897 documents.On the Web site, there’s a button that will download the documents to an Excel spreadsheet (CVS/excel). Then you use the sum feature on Excel to add up the pages and presto, you end with 20,202 pages. (Federal Register pages, which are typed in such tiny type that each page is worth almost four pages with regular, double-spaced type.???)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...1eec914-bcf9-11e2-9b09-1638acc3942e_blog.html
I did the search a few minutes ago and turned up 12,380 documents...I won't even guess the average page length of each document.
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Hey, who am I to tell communists how they should spell comrade? What's important is that you acknowledge that you're a government simpleton.That would be Komrade with a "K", Mr. Mugabe.
You don't know much of anything, actually. Want the link again, or did your selective memory dismiss the truth already?
Of course. Your government heroes are dumb fucks. Leave it to a Democrat to write regulations for "countless health insurance companies" rather than simply keep it specific to insurance companies in general. Hell, you degenerates need a 500 page policy manual just for wiping your asses.