Is Republican Christianity starting to look a lot like Extremist Islam?

[Joe Capitalist]

Yes. THey always have resembled them in the way that both believe in being a political religion.
They are so extreme though, that on the margins we must simply forge ahead and not consider their beliefs.
Any group that has nonnegotiable beliefs and are a tiny minority of opinion on said beliefs should simply be disregarded
for the greater good, a good only maximized by moderation and negotiated solutions wherein nobody is fully happy.
It is in the nature of groups that extreme ideologies must be shoved aside if they can't get along with us.
That goes for guns, choice, welfare state, taxes.

Good article in Atlantic on how Trump suckered these ignorant immoral people.
"How evangelicals lost their way"

I'll never understand how evangelicals side with Trump. He's the most immoral, unscrupulous, dishonorable person to ever set foot in the White House.
Just goes to show how clueless and vulnerable to disinformation evangelicals can be. After all, they were bamboozled by Jimmy Swaggart, Robert Tilton, Jim Baker and the others so there's proof right there.

 

[kudzu]

I'll never understand how evangelicals side with Trump. He's the most immoral, unscrupulous, dishonorable person to ever set foot in the White House.
Just goes to show how clueless and vulnerable to disinformation evangelicals can be. After all, they were bamboozled by Jimmy Swaggart, Robert Tilton, Jim Baker and the others so there's proof right there.

Take a look at this.


FitzGerald knows that evangelicalism is a global community but shows that American evangelicalism is very deeply American. So even from the 19th century American evangelicals had a tendency to identify their own community and its concerns with that of America writ large.

She especially shows that after the massive social changes of the 1960s, evangelicalism became very deeply white-male-reactionary American. This evangelical white-male-reactionary-Americanism came to override the Christian gospel or even to define it. The gospel was not about Jesus, but about nostalgia for a lost America where our guys, and our values, were unquestioned.

In the end, the result was an unholy marriage of top evangelical leaders to the Republican Party and conservative lobbyists and operatives. In reaction, a smaller group of evangelical progressives also became involved in similar conjugal relations with the Democrats and their lobbyists and operatives.

When religious folk get entangled with secular politicians in the political arena, the politicians always win. They have home field advantage. The earnest religious types get played. And the people in the pews start heading for the exits.

Faithful Christian discipleship does involve bearing witness to Christian convictions in public. But drawing the line between this dimension of Christian proclamation, on the one hand, and getting used by politicians, on the other, has proved very difficult for evangelical Christians since at least Billy Graham. It’s a sordid story, and it has shaped American religion and public life for more than a generation.

https://www.religionnews.com/2017/04/12/how-evangelicals-lost-their-way/

 

[Rune]

Are you opposed to the death penalty?

You already owe me one answer but yes I am opposed to the death penalty.

 

[kudzu]

You already owe me one answer but yes I am opposed to the death penalty.

I must have missed your question..

I am not opposed to the death penalty for some crimes.. Currently the Saudis are executing alot of ISIS ..

I like the Saudis a lot.

Have you ever heard of Ahmad ibn Fadlan? He was a navigator for the Vikings. Its a fascinating account.

 

[Joe Capitalist]

Take a look at this.


FitzGerald knows that evangelicalism is a global community but shows that American evangelicalism is very deeply American. So even from the 19th century American evangelicals had a tendency to identify their own community and its concerns with that of America writ large.

She especially shows that after the massive social changes of the 1960s, evangelicalism became very deeply white-male-reactionary American. This evangelical white-male-reactionary-Americanism came to override the Christian gospel or even to define it. The gospel was not about Jesus, but about nostalgia for a lost America where our guys, and our values, were unquestioned.

In the end, the result was an unholy marriage of top evangelical leaders to the Republican Party and conservative lobbyists and operatives. In reaction, a smaller group of evangelical progressives also became involved in similar conjugal relations with the Democrats and their lobbyists and operatives.

When religious folk get entangled with secular politicians in the political arena, the politicians always win. They have home field advantage. The earnest religious types get played. And the people in the pews start heading for the exits.

Faithful Christian discipleship does involve bearing witness to Christian convictions in public. But drawing the line between this dimension of Christian proclamation, on the one hand, and getting used by politicians, on the other, has proved very difficult for evangelical Christians since at least Billy Graham. It’s a sordid story, and it has shaped American religion and public life for more than a generation.

https://www.religionnews.com/2017/04/12/how-evangelicals-lost-their-way/

Ok, now take a look at this:

This is Mark Anthony Conditt - the Austin Bomber. He is a terrorist.

I want you to imagine for just a moment if it was a Muslim man who bombed and murdered people all over an American city.
Then killed himself with a literal suicide bomb - injuring a cop in the process.

Imagine how different the news would be.

 

[kudzu]

Ok, now take a look at this:

This is Mark Anthony Conditt - the Austin Bomber. He is a terrorist.

I want you to imagine for just a moment if it was a Muslim man who bombed and murdered people all over an American city.
Then killed himself with a literal suicide bomb - injuring a cop in the process.

Imagine how different the news would be.

My God, Conditt looks so normal....

The hardline right would just say that Conditt wasn't a Christian or a Republican.

 

[Joe Capitalist]

My God, Conditt looks so normal....

The hardline right would just say that Conditt wasn't a Christian or a Republican.

He was raised by both parents in a Christian home. He was a big fan of Sean Insanity and Ann Cunter.

 

[kudzu]

He was raised by both parents in a Christian home. He was a big fan of Sean Insanity and Ann Cunter.

How awful.. I do think when the rhetoric gets so hateful that some people get completely sucked in.

Fanatics have a lot in common... and it often starts with religion.

 

[Stretch]

Maybe we should deport these lunatics too.

During the brief siege, the youngest victim, Tywanza Sanders, 26, pleaded with Mr. Roof not to kill. “You blacks are killing white people on the streets everyday and raping white women everyday,” Mr. Roof said during the rampage, according to the jailhouse manifesto written within seven weeks of his arrest.

"Know this if nothing else: This was a hate crime. I hate the damn left-wing liberals. There is a vast left-wing conspiracy in this country & these liberals are working together to attack every decent & honorable institution in the nation, trying to turn this country into a communist state. Shame on them
"This was a symbolic killing. Who I wanted to kill was every Democrat in the Senate & House, the 100 people in Bernard Goldberg's book. I'd like to kill everyone in the mainstream media. But I know those people were inaccessible to me. I couldn't get to the generals & high ranking officers of the Marxist movement so I went after the foot soldiers, the chickenshit liberals that vote in these traitorous people. Someone had to get the ball rolling. I volunteered. I hope others do the same. It's the only way we can rid America of this cancerous pestilence."

After his arrest, Jeremy Joseph Christian sat in the back of a police car and said: "I stabbed the two (expletives) in the neck and I'm happy now."
The police car, equipped with audio and video recording devices, captured statements from Christian, a suspect in the stabbing deaths of two people on a Portland light rail.
"Think I stab (expletives) in the neck for fun? Oh yeah, you're right I do. I'm a patriot."
"That's what liberalism gets you," he was recorded saying.

Click bait...........once again, nothing to do with Christianity.

 

[kudzu]

Click bait...........once again, nothing to do with Christianity.

Conditt was homeschooled in a Christian home..

 

[Stretch]

Conditt was homeschooled in a Christian home..

Yes I know.
#1 We don't know what brand of "Christianity" was taught in his home.
#2 If it was true Christianity that he was taught, there are always those who opt out and rebel.
#3 Bottom line is it certainly doesn't appear he was doing this in the name of Christianity...........hence the click bait.

 

[kudzu]

Yes I know.
#1 We don't know what brand of "Christianity" was taught in his home.
#2 If it was true Christianity that he was taught, there are always those who opt out and rebel.
#3 Bottom line is it certainly doesn't appear he was doing this in the name of Christianity...........hence the click bait.

People always say that.. the terrorist or mass shooter wasn't a "real Christian".. and I see the logic in that. However, religious fanaticism is a common trait for both.

 

[Nordberg]

Religion is a business. It seeks growth, power and money. Look at it on those terms and their actions make sense. Look at it like the religious lessons they taught you and you see hypocrisy. Religions and religious leaders should not be put on a pedestal. They belong in the mud.

 

[Nordberg]

According to Iraqis I have talked to, before Bush attacked Iraq, the sects were living by each other in relative peace. When Bush destroyed the government. there was a vacuum. The sects suddenly saw a chance for money and power. They wanted control and the other sects were now enemies.They were relatively religious before politics and money showed their true selves. Many died. Chaos followed.

 

[Centerleftfl]

Maybe we should deport these lunatics too.

During the brief siege, the youngest victim, Tywanza Sanders, 26, pleaded with Mr. Roof not to kill. “You blacks are killing white people on the streets everyday and raping white women everyday,” Mr. Roof said during the rampage, according to the jailhouse manifesto written within seven weeks of his arrest.

"Know this if nothing else: This was a hate crime. I hate the damn left-wing liberals. There is a vast left-wing conspiracy in this country & these liberals are working together to attack every decent & honorable institution in the nation, trying to turn this country into a communist state. Shame on them
"This was a symbolic killing. Who I wanted to kill was every Democrat in the Senate & House, the 100 people in Bernard Goldberg's book. I'd like to kill everyone in the mainstream media. But I know those people were inaccessible to me. I couldn't get to the generals & high ranking officers of the Marxist movement so I went after the foot soldiers, the chickenshit liberals that vote in these traitorous people. Someone had to get the ball rolling. I volunteered. I hope others do the same. It's the only way we can rid America of this cancerous pestilence."

After his arrest, Jeremy Joseph Christian sat in the back of a police car and said: "I stabbed the two (expletives) in the neck and I'm happy now."
The police car, equipped with audio and video recording devices, captured statements from Christian, a suspect in the stabbing deaths of two people on a Portland light rail.
"Think I stab (expletives) in the neck for fun? Oh yeah, you're right I do. I'm a patriot."
"That's what liberalism gets you," he was recorded saying.

I think TRUMP and his CHRISTIAN followers gives "Islam" a NOBLE religion.

 

[Joe Capitalist]

People always say that.. the terrorist or mass shooter wasn't a "real Christian".. and I see the logic in that. However, religious fanaticism is a common trait for both.

Does it really matter if he was or wasn't a "real Christian"? What matters is if he BELIEVED he was a Christian and if he thought he was doing God's work.
Sure, it's a distortion of Christianity just as radical islamic terrorists distort Islam.

The Crusades were a series of religious wars sanctioned by the Latin Church in the medieval period. The most commonly known Crusades were the campaigns in the Eastern Mediterranean aimed at recovering the Holy Land from Muslim rule, but the term "Crusades" is also applied to other church-sanctioned campaigns. These were fought for a variety of reasons including the suppression of paganism and heresy, the resolution of conflict among rival Roman Catholic groups, or for political and territorial advantage.

 

[Granule]

Maybe we should deport these lunatics too.

During the brief siege, the youngest victim, Tywanza Sanders, 26, pleaded with Mr. Roof not to kill. “You blacks are killing white people on the streets everyday and raping white women everyday,” Mr. Roof said during the rampage, according to the jailhouse manifesto written within seven weeks of his arrest.

"Know this if nothing else: This was a hate crime. I hate the damn left-wing liberals. There is a vast left-wing conspiracy in this country & these liberals are working together to attack every decent & honorable institution in the nation, trying to turn this country into a communist state. Shame on them
"This was a symbolic killing. Who I wanted to kill was every Democrat in the Senate & House, the 100 people in Bernard Goldberg's book. I'd like to kill everyone in the mainstream media. But I know those people were inaccessible to me. I couldn't get to the generals & high ranking officers of the Marxist movement so I went after the foot soldiers, the chickenshit liberals that vote in these traitorous people. Someone had to get the ball rolling. I volunteered. I hope others do the same. It's the only way we can rid America of this cancerous pestilence."

After his arrest, Jeremy Joseph Christian sat in the back of a police car and said: "I stabbed the two (expletives) in the neck and I'm happy now."
The police car, equipped with audio and video recording devices, captured statements from Christian, a suspect in the stabbing deaths of two people on a Portland light rail.
"Think I stab (expletives) in the neck for fun? Oh yeah, you're right I do. I'm a patriot."
"That's what liberalism gets you," he was recorded saying.

Why would you have that gangly piece of shit in that set of pictures? Flag burning is an activity enjoyed by democrats.

Also, the muslim extremists are YOUR pals. Why are you comparing them to freedom loving Americans?

And the other dudes just look like typical assholes. Perfect examples of self serving leftism.

You're projecting again, aren't you, fuckface. lol

 

[Joe Capitalist]

Why would you have that gangly piece of shit in that set of pictures? Flag burning is an activity enjoyed by democrats.

Also, the muslim extremists are YOUR pals. Why are you comparing them to freedom loving Americans?

And the other dudes just look like typical assholes. Perfect examples of self serving leftism.

You're projecting again, aren't you, fuckface. lol

These "gangly pieces of shit" are your brethren. You know, radical right wing extremists, just like you, fuckface. They hate liberalism, just like you, fuckface.
Perfect example of self serving radical right wing racism.

You're pivoting again, aren't you, fuckface.

I refuse to have dialogue with radical extremist idiots so on to the "IGNORE" list you go, fuckface.

 

[Airstrip One]

My God, Conditt looks so normal....

The hardline right would just say that Conditt wasn't a Christian or a Republican.

Due to his interest in explosives, I could confuse him as being a Muslim.

 

[Airstrip One]

These "gangly pieces of shit" are your brethren. You know, radical right wing extremists, just like you, fuckface. They hate liberalism, just like you, fuckface.
Perfect example of self serving radical right wing racism.

You're pivoting again, aren't you, fuckface.

I refuse to have dialogue with radical extremist idiots so on to the "IGNORE" list you go, fuckface.

Are you sure it's liberalism that they hate, and not leftism?