Is single payer healthcare really what you want?

Havana Moon said:
That video is a tad disingenuous. In the UK many companies provide private medical insurance as a company perk. There are several companies doing this including AXA PPP, BUPA, WPA and Aviva.
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BUT; you still PAY for the Government version and ONLY those who are well off can OPT OUT by using more of their own money.

It is a travesty to suggest that the Socialized versions of healthcare in Europe and Canada are not massive failures.
 
ThatFOwlWoman said:
So having highly-paid doctors is better for you than all of your fellow citizens having coverage?
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WRONG; but then you are a willful moron. Reducing the pay doctors can make to control costs results in shortages and long wait times. People DIE under these systems as a result.

ThatFOwlWoman said:
I hate to admit that Havana is right, but he is. Many countries with a national insurance plan also have private companies offering supplemental insurance. Most of us on Medicare buy it as well. Letting corporations off the hook for the huge expense of providing employee insurance is a winner for them, and for us as well. They could be taxed slightly higher to offset the cost to federal premiums, and still be able to make a profit. They can offer supplemental insurance as a hiring incentive.
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The irony here is that if you want MARGINALLY similar care to what we have in the US, you pay DOUBLE. Therefore, the only way it is cheaper is by limiting supply which always result in shortages and LONG wait times.

If not for the US healthcare market, there would be little to ZERO innovation in the industry as well. Government managed means ZERO incentive for R&D and innovation.
 
Tranquillus in Exile said:
There has always been private medical insurance in the UK. It's designed to supplement the NHS, not replace it.

The perks are a higher standard of luxury in a private hospital, and a procedure at a time of your choice.
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They are "supplements" at a much higher cost for the wealthy to get what we in America take for granted every day.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Germany's health care system seems pretty healthy. From Wikipedia:

"According to the Euro health consumer index, which placed it in 7th position in its 2015 survey, Germany has long had the most restriction-free and consumer-oriented healthcare system in Europe. Patients are allowed to seek almost any type of care they wish whenever they want it.[10] The governmental health system in Germany is currently keeping a record reserve of more than 18 billion Euros, which makes it one of the healthiest health systems in the world.[11]"
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Germany)
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Wikipedia? :laugh: The German system is far worse than the UK or Canadian system. Again, shortages, long wait times, limited access.
 
PoliTalker said:
When people serve our nation in the military they are not doing it to get rich. They are doing it to serve their nation.
A national force of health care workers could have the same exact motivation.
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:lolup:Willful moron wants our healthcare system to only be available to those who can afford to opt out of Government managed mediocrity.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Many ppl fall in between, Stretch. Many lower- and entry-level jobs do not offer health insurance. Some do but it's too costly for employees to opt for. For instance, my first job out of nursing school was in a SNF operated by a large health care chain. They offered employees a choice: they could get a higher per-hour salary if they opted out of the health insurance. I opted to take it because I didn't have any. It was almost $400/month... just for me. It would have been even higher if I had added my daughters to it. Fortunately they were covered under their dad's plan. Please let me know how you think a CNA making $11/hour could afford $400 taken out of her check?
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If you think you would be paying LESS in a massive takeover by the Government, you're uninformed, uneducated or just willfully stupid.
 
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Stretch said:
One of his more notorious lies. I loved my insurance plan and when this atrocity kicked in my plan was cancelled. :mad:
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Listen to the entire speech, Ms. Stretch. He claims that Obamacare eliminates the situations that Fowl is clucking about.
 
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They are "supplements" at a much higher cost for the wealthy to get what we in America take for granted every day.
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Private medical insurance for a person aged 65+ in the UK is typically around £250 a month. The main benefits are quality of accomodation in a private hospital and a choice of when to have a procedure.

Privately insured people are still free to use all the NHS services, including a GP (family doctor), as most do
 
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