Is single payer healthcare really what you want?

ThatOwlWoman said:
Who says doctors won't be compensated? I'd like to see proof of this "severe rationing." We have had Medicare for the elderly and disabled for over 50 years. Where is the "severe rationing" here? Why is hyperbole the only argument that the right can make when it comes to adopting the ways of civilized nations and providing for our citizens?

As for physician compensation, do you think that most ppl who go through the extremely rigorous process to become a physician are doing it solely for the salary? If we taxpayers covered the cost of their education, and they were off the hook for massive student loan debt, don't you think they'd be happy still making way over the national average? I have worked with and studied alongside medical students and physicians for years. I never once in all that time heard anyone say that they went into that field for the paycheck.
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Lol, again, get back to me when you wish to have a serious conversation.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/45698/thousands-elderly-patients-go-blind-britain-due-ashe-schow
 
countryboy said:
Lol, again, get back to me when you wish to have a serious conversation.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/45698/thousands-elderly-patients-go-blind-britain-due-ashe-schow
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Your source is obviously biased, and so are the others I saw -- all RW screeds -- when I googled the topic. This one, however, I trust:

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...restricts-patients-access-to-cataract-removal

Most American insurance companies also will not cover cataract removal and replacement lenses until the cataracts are considered "ripe." They also do not typically cover anything but basic mono-vision lenses. I have mild cataracts; two different eye doctors told me they have to be more advanced in order to treat. One I saw when I had private insurance (BC/BS); the other when I got on Medicare last year.

https://www.nvisioncenters.com/cataracts/insurance-coverage/
 
Havana Moon said:
This might help to explain how health insurance works in the UK.

https://www.moneyadviceservice.org.uk/en/articles/do-you-need-private-medical-insurance
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"It’s expensive – and the price will go up. A typical family premium (two adults in their 40s and two children under 10) can vary from £700 to £1,800 per year." Is that a typo? Some Americans are paying that a MONTH!! Granted, we would see much greater coverage(no NHS here though), but then again, what would be that family's tax bill for the NHS per year? Please keep in mind that I do not look down on any country with a single payer system, I just don't think it would work well in the U.S. because of the size of the population. People here don't realize it, but by 2030 we are facing a shortage of 125,000 doctors(at this moment, I believe it's at 65,000)and that's WITHOUT a single-payer system that's gonna pay doctors 40% less than they're making now. People are finally going to be able to see what the Veteran's Administration is like, which I have been saying for years, and I don't think they're gonna like it
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Who says doctors won't be compensated? I'd like to see proof of this "severe rationing." We have had Medicare for the elderly and disabled for over 50 years. Where is the "severe rationing" here? Why is hyperbole the only argument that the right can make when it comes to adopting the ways of civilized nations and providing for our citizens?

As for physician compensation, do you think that most ppl who go through the extremely rigorous process to become a physician are doing it solely for the salary? If we taxpayers covered the cost of their education, and they were off the hook for massive student loan debt, don't you think they'd be happy still making way over the national average? I have worked with and studied alongside medical students and physicians for years. I never once in all that time heard anyone say that they went into that field for the paycheck.
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Doctors can't survive in private practice on Medicare payments. Those paying full freight for insurance kept them afloat. Now, after the ACA, many doctors have sold out to hospitals because of the crushing costs.

And no one spends $500k on an education and 8-12 years in school to work for peanuts. Without an incentive, the best and brightest minds will pursue more lucrative professions.
 
Life is Golden said:
Doctors can't survive in private practice on Medicare payments. Those paying full freight for insurance kept them afloat. Now, after the ACA, many doctors have sold out to hospitals because of the crushing costs.

And no one spends $500k on an education and 8-12 years in school to work for peanuts. Without an incentive, the best and brightest minds will pursue more lucrative professions.
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There are two large expenses, other than student loan repayment, that American physicians must deal with. One is the price of malpractice insurance. I have a feeling that under a govt. plan that could be dealt with by limiting liability, and additionally setting up oversight to ensure quality standards are being met, and sanctions when they are not. The other large expense is office personnel who do nothing but deal with insurance companies. This is one reason why physicians seldom set up stand-alone practices any more.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Stretch,

I see you have some of the disparaging liberals banned from this thread.

I approve of mutually respectful discourse and whatever has to be done to preserve it.
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I DID do what has to be done. Eliminate trolls who do not engage in civilized discourse.
 
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