Is the Civil Rights movement what turned the South Republican for 50 years..

Jarod

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For the first time ever a Southern State has shown some movement toward liberalism regarding social issues, Virginia with the AG's statement that he wont defend the anti-gay marriage ban.

If you look at voting patterns and if you know people from the South, generationally as I have, you know that since reconstruction, they have been social conservatives. (Its another post all together, but I think Sherman's March of destruction is what gave rise to the social conservatism, much like punishment of Germany after WWI is what gave rise to Nazism) The South supported the Democrats because they are the party that supported the institution of slavery, and from the 1860's to the 1960's was the party that assisted with propping up the social structure of segregation. (not that they got much fight from the republicans) But that all changed with the election of JFK, he promoted the idea of integration and supported the Civil Rights Movement.

JFK's death left LBJ with little choice but to champion the waive of support that the north insisted upon for the Civil Rights Movement. For the first time ever it was the Democrats being the social liberals, promoting change from the established order. National Guard Troops had to be called in to finish the job Abe Lincoln left undone. The Southern Social Conservative Democrats were furious and never again voted for a Democrat in a national election, (except a few exceptions including Georgia's support of JC). Slowly the demise of the national Democratic party in the South led to the end of the local Democratic party and most places in the former Confederate States barely have a Democratic party now.

But something is changing in Virginia and possibly North Carolina, demographics are changing. People are moving to Northern Virginia, new people are moving to North Carolina. Those two states are experiencing the influx of outsiders Florida has been experiencing for the last 100 years. Now that Florida is so crowded the move South is landing in cities like Charlotte and Asheville. If migration is finally ending the Social Conservatives grip on the Southern Electoral votes, are we about to see an even stronger liberal party?
 
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Only a moron would argue otherwise. Democrats were well aware that they would be handing white southern voters over to the Republican party if they implmented Civil Rights legislation. That is indeed what happened and since the Nixon administration manipulating southern white conservatives on the issue of race has been the mainstay of the GOP's electoral strategy for national office.
 
Only a moron would argue otherwise. Democrats were well aware that they would be handing white southern voters over to the Republican party if they implmented Civil Rights legislation. That is indeed what happened and since the Nixon administration manipulating southern white conservatives on the issue of race has been the mainstay of the GOP's electoral strategy for national office.
Its what has warped politics to give the Social Conservative, who is truly the minority in this Country, more political power than they should have ever had.
 
As for a stronger "liberal" party. Define liberal? America, in general, and for a long, long time, has been a center right political nation for most of it's history. Changing demographics are not the only reason why you're seeing change. Virginia and North Carolina are two southern States that didn't blow up their public school system when the courts ordered public school integration back in the 70's. With the end result that from top to bottom those two States have some of the best public education in the South. Also the Republican party's swing to the far right has also alienated substantial numbers of center right Republicans permitting Democrats to co-opt the middle. The growth of the Triad region as a technology corridor and the growth of the Banking and Finance industry in Charlotte has changed the land scape in North Carolina as much as demographics has.

But don't fool your self. Leave the DC metro area for rural western Virginia or leave the Triad region (Charlotte, Greensboro, Raleigh/Durham/RTP) of North Carolina and the prevailing attitudes in the rural parts of Virginia and North Carolina are pretty much as they have been for the last 100 years.

What Virginia and North Carolina are going through is reflective of what a lot of industrial midwest states, like Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsion, Illinois and Minnessota, Western NY State, etc,.) have been going through in which there are significant differences in views and attitudes betwee Urban/Suburban voters and small town/rural voters in which the changing economic land scape has played a significant role in creating new political divisions.
 
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Only a moron would argue otherwise. Democrats were well aware that they would be handing white southern voters over to the Republican party if they implmented Civil Rights legislation. That is indeed what happened and since the Nixon administration manipulating southern white conservatives on the issue of race has been the mainstay of the GOP's electoral strategy for national office.


Quit baiting superfreak.
 
As for a stronger "liberal" party. Define liberal? America, in general, and for a long, long time, has been a center right political nation for most of it's history. Changing demographics are not the only reason why you're seeing change. Virginia and North Carolina are two southern States that didn't blow up their public school system when the courts ordered public school integration back in the 70's. With the end result that from top to bottom those two States have some of the best public education in the South. Also the Republican party's swing to the far right has also alienated substantial numbers of center right Republicans permitting Democrats to co-opt the middle. The growth of the Triad region as a technology corridor and the growth of the Banking and Finance industry in Charlotte has changed the land scape in North Carolina as much as demographics has.

But don't fool your self. Leave the DC metro area for rural western Virginia or leave the Triad region (Charlotte, Greensboro, Raleigh/Durham/RTP) of North Carolina and the prevailing attitudes in the rural parts of Virginia and North Carolina are pretty much as they have been for the last 100 years.

What Virginia and North Carolina are going through is reflective of what a lot of industrial midwest states, like Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsion, Illinois and Minnessota, Western NY State, etc,.) have been going through in which there are significant differences in views and attitudes betwee Urban/Suburban voters and small town/rural voters.


I agree with most of what you say here. For this discussion, I should have more precisely said "Social Liberal" instead of liberal. You are correct about the public schools, Virginia and NC have great compulsory free primary education systems, that led to great secondary educational systems. Much of the remainder of the South Cut off their nose with education after integration.

The Triad region an new technology corridor is one of the things that has led to the changing demographics due to migration. Clearly the cities are much more liberal than the rural areas, but that's nationwide and as people move into cities, is a growing situation that is intertwined with migration. Nobody moves from Chicago to the rural cities in NC, they move to Charlotte.
 
Its what has warped politics to give the Social Conservative, who is truly the minority in this Country, more political power than they should have ever had.
Oh absolutely. By voting as a solid bock southerners have affectively dominated the legislative branch of government in a manner that is completely out of proportion to their numbers. The Southeast only represents about 25% of the nations population but time and time again I have seen them build coalitions in the Senate of southern conservatives that represent about 10 to 15% of the national electorate and use that coalition to block badly needed reforms or advances. It's hugely frustrating.
 
Oh absolutely. By voting as a solid bock southerners have affectively dominated the legislative branch of government in a manner that is completely out of proportion to their numbers. The Southeast only represents about 25% of the nations population but time and time again I have seen them build coalitions in the Senate of southern conservatives that represent about 10 to 15% of the national electorate and use that coalition to block badly needed reforms or advances. It's hugely frustrating.

True story!
 
As for a stronger "liberal" party. Define liberal? America, in general, and for a long, long time, has been a center right political nation for most of it's history. Changing demographics are not the only reason why you're seeing change. Virginia and North Carolina are two southern States that didn't blow up their public school system when the courts ordered public school integration back in the 70's. With the end result that from top to bottom those two States have some of the best public education in the South. Also the Republican party's swing to the far right has also alienated substantial numbers of center right Republicans permitting Democrats to co-opt the middle. The growth of the Triad region as a technology corridor and the growth of the Banking and Finance industry in Charlotte has changed the land scape in North Carolina as much as demographics has.

But don't fool your self. Leave the DC metro area for rural western Virginia or leave the Triad region (Charlotte, Greensboro, Raleigh/Durham/RTP) of North Carolina and the prevailing attitudes in the rural parts of Virginia and North Carolina are pretty much as they have been for the last 100 years.

What Virginia and North Carolina are going through is reflective of what a lot of industrial midwest states, like Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsion, Illinois and Minnessota, Western NY State, etc,.) have been going through in which there are significant differences in views and attitudes betwee Urban/Suburban voters and small town/rural voters in which the changing economic land scape has played a significant role in creating new political divisions.

I really see this where I live. I am just close enough to urban Columbus and just close enough to rural Ohio that I really see both groups. Since you know where I live.....you will know what I am saying.
 
I really see this where I live. I am just close enough to urban Columbus and just close enough to rural Ohio that I really see both groups. Since you know where I live.....you will know what I am saying.
Coming from the rural part of the State....trust me I do know where you're coming from.
 
....exactly. And working for the university I work for.....it is refreshing to see students from rural Ohio start to open their minds when they are exposed to ideas...

Is that code for when a professor espouses their liberal ideas the student accepts them?
 
All those damn "Professors" with their "books" and "studies" and "Ideas" corrupting our kids.
 
Is that code for when a professor espouses their liberal ideas the student accepts them?

Actually I had lunch with a liberal professor today. He was making the point that he just wanted them to think about what they believed. An open mind is not conducive to conservative politics. Not my fault.
 
Actually I had lunch with a liberal professor today. He was making the point that he just wanted them to think about what they believed. An open mind is not conducive to conservative politics. Not my fault.

Clearly a bias toward thinking leads to being just like the media... Liberal!
 
All those damn "Professors" with their "books" and "studies" and "Ideas" corrupting our kids.

You trying to say high schools in rural Ohio don't have teachers and books and ideas?

You went to Auburn Jarod. Do they even have books there? You really shouldn't be talking shit.
 
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