Islam is one of the worlds great religions.

Ralph said:
I say? Hardly ...... I say nothing that either history actual or the Holy Scriptures cannot confirm.....the very source of Christianity proves that true Christian Doctrine does not promote violence in order to convert believers........that source is the Holy Scriptures.

The scriptures detail the fact that No denominations exist in true Christian Faith. There was no one holy earthly leader (such as propagated by the Roman Catholic Church), as Jesus the Christ is the one and only head of the church, Christ is, ".......head of the body (what is that body?), THE CHURCH". -- Col. 1:8 The commandments of Christ found in scripture are to rule over THE CHURCH. Elders are appointed, bishops are appointed, and pastors/ministers are appointed.......by the LOCAL congregation. These appointments were not excessive in authority (they did not claim to have NEW REVELATIONS from God that must be obeyed as directed by God's representative on earth.......THE POPE....that established tradition instead of following the actual doctrine found in scripture.) The duty of these appointees was to take care of the local flock.....not physically pursue WORLD DOMINATION as was Rome's objective.

"Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint (constraint: the thought of using FORCE to obtain enforcement), BUT WILLINGLY, NOT FOR FILTHY LURE (lure: enticement or reward in a physical sense)......BUT OF A READY MIND, NEITHER AS BEING LORDS OVER GOD'S HERITAGE, BUT BEING ENSAMPLES TO THE FLOCK." -- 1 Peter 5:2-3

This is not my OPINION.....its the factual record found in the Holy Scriptures. I did not draft one word in the Bible....nor do I claim as much. I simply present the demonstrable truth as defined by the one and only source of Christian Doctrine.......THE HOLY SCRIPTURES.

"So then FAITH COMETH BY HEARING AND "HEARING" BY THE WORD OF GOD." -- Romans 10:17:bigthink:




Enlighten us........void of using the holy scriptures just how does one find Christianity, how does one hear about the Christ? Are you born with an innate knowledge of Christianity? If you teach that which is not found in the word of God....you are teaching false doctrine. Void of the word of God....Christianity could never exist in a truthful manner.

"But the word of God endures forever (as long as the world exists is implied). NOW THIS IS THE WORD WHICH BY THE GOSPEL WAS PREACHED TO YOU." -- 1 Peter 1:25

Rome perverted the Word of God in order to promote World Dominance. History tells us that Rome ruled over the governments of the western world before and during the protestant movement that founded this Republic called the United States of America. Even today....violence is promoted in the attempt to convert ......simply look at bloodshed in recent history in Ireland. God demands a willing heart as the kingdom of God.......the TRUE KINGDOM...i.e., the Church is found in a spiritual manner.......that kingdom exists within every believer, its not a physical kingdom as promoted by most false religions.

"NEITHER SHALL THEY SAY, LO HERE!, OR LO THERE!, FOR BEHOLD THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS WITHIN YOU." -- Luke 17:21


TRUTH is how one obeys the Christ.......that truth if found and sanctified only in one place......the word of God. (John 17:17) "Sanctify them through THY truth; THY word is truth."
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You definitely seem Catholophobic.
 
StoneByStone said:
You know there are violent verses in the Bible too, right?
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Of course there are violent passages found in the Holy Scriptures. Again.......it takes a secular not to comprehend the fact that the Holy Scriptures is a historical record that includes the Good, The Bad, and the Ugly....recorded without bias but submitted as a true historical record.

There is nothing omitted from this record....it records the sins of many historical figures as well as the righteous acts of many historical figures.

In order to comprehend the word of God...i.e., the Holy Scriptures one must rightly divide the word of truth. Simply because something is recorded in scripture does not indicate that record is endorsed in the Christian Doctrine. There are many sins and acts of murder recorded over the 5000 year record of the Holy Scriptures...but history must be considered as that.......history and doctrine as doctrine.

Christians exist because of the belief that the word of God is a true record and that record is indeed the word of God. ( 2 Tim. 3:16) "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness."

It is up to the Christian to rightly divide this word of truth that includes everything.....evil, righteousness, sins, etc., We are instructed to read and understand this record in order to separate Doctrine from History. "Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed.....rightly dividing the word of truth." 2 Tim 2:15

The scriptures are powerful, alive and just as relevant today as they were when first recorded, Truth does not evolve.....societies might, but what was true 5000 years ago is just as true today..... or it was never truth to begin with. Heb. 4:12, "For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and the joints and the marrow and is is discerner of the thoughts and the intent of the heart."

The Bible is the most widely circulated and read book in the entire world.....and the most criticized....as evidenced by those who fail to consider the entire text and just cherry pick some historical record and claim that GOD supports that action because it is recorded.

Again..........there have been different records found in the history of the Holy Scriptures.......written by at least 35 different men from all different backgrounds, from sheep herders, to physicians, to kings, to fishermen...etc., they each left a record as was inspired by the Holy Spirit of God. When rightly divided....all these different authors agree on the main concept of the record. A record that leads to the birth, life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ whose message was as His stated mission........delivering Truth from Heaven. His stated mission was to teach the Truth (John 18:37) His service to the poor was to teach the Gospel Truth (7:22)

Why? The poor will always exist upon earth....as being poor sometimes is a choice, sometimes poverty occurs due to poor health, accident or an act of nature...thus as the Christ stated, "You will always have the poor among you." -- John 12:8

Jesus even chastised those who followed after Him when he preformed the miracle of the fish and the loaves.......He made them stop following Him because they were merely following Him to get another free meal....He charged them of not being concerned with Truth or their Immoral Souls, as that was His stated mission, to feed the soul in order find fellowship with Father God. (John 6:26-27)

Christ did not come to earth as God incarnate to feed the poor, to make one's wishes come true........He came to earth to bring the truth as it is the truth that has the power to save one's soul.

That records includes 4 different covenants between man and God. 1. The record of Noah called the Noahic covenant. 2. The record of father Abraham called the Abrahamic covenant. 3. And the record of Moses called the Mosaic covenant which brought the 10 commandments to the Jewish nation called Biblical Israel.....lastly the last and final covenant between man and God.......the New Testament Covenant of Jesus Christ....the covenant that is worshiped today.........as the Christ nailed the Mosaic covenant to His Cross and ushered in a Covenant based upon GRACE....in a spiritual kingdom called the Church of Christ. (Col 2:11-17) :bigthink:

Rightly divide the word of truth and comprehend the fact that the old testament is used as nothing more than a truthful history........Christians are to worship under the terms of the New Testament Covenant. Show us in that record where righteous doctrine is practiced either in the Crusades or the Spanish Inquisitions.....no such instruction or teaching exists in the New Testament of Christ Jesus...regardless of what is propagated by some fake religion.
 
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Ralph said:
Of course there are violent passages found in the Holy Scriptures. Again.......it takes a secular not to comprehend the fact that the Holy Scriptures is a historical record that includes the Good, The Bad, and the Ugly....recorded without bias but submitted as a true historical record....
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The disturbing part isn't man's violence upon his fellow man, but when God orders the brutal mass murder of innocent people.

Example. Hosea 13:16
The people of Samaria must bear their guilt,
because they have rebelled against their God.
They will fall by the sword;
their little ones will be dashed to the ground,
their pregnant women ripped open.”


Doesn't this mean God is okay with abortions if they're Samarian?
 
WitoldPilecki said:
You definitely seem Catholophobic.
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I am against all FALSE DOCTRINES....I don't discriminate, if its not in scripture its nothing but man made doctrine. Its called Sola Scriptura worship with the Holy Scriptures used entirely as doctrine. When man made tradition injects itself as doctrine their is no standard to calibrate what is truth and what is fake. The Christ called those of his era that used the man made traditions instead of the actual record found in scripture as doctrine. He called them Vipers, the blind leading the blind, hypocrites, children of hell, fools (Matt. 15:12-14, Matt. 23:15, 17, 23, 24, 27-28, 33).

The Christ was never afraid to call a lying dog a lying dog. You want to know about the history of the Catholic Church? Just read history actual, then read from the Holy Scriptures about wearing pomp0us uniforms and commanding people to follow the word of these pompous leaders instead of the actual word of God.

The record is clear, compare the Catholic Church with the actual text and record of the Holy Bible.

1. Catholicism declares the POPE as the head of the church and Christ's proxy here on earth, what do the scriptures say about that? There is only ONE head of the church and its not a pope that calls himself LORD over the church .....the head of the church is Christ Jesus as He rules over the church beside Father God in Heaven (Eph. 1:22-23, 4:5, Col:1-18)

The Pope cannot be the head of the church if the Christ is the head of the church "He (Jesus) is the blessed AND ONLY POTENTATE, the King of Kings, the Lord of Lords, WHO ALONE HAS IMMORATLITY, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see, to whom be honor and everlasting power." -- (1 Tim. 6:15-16)

Catholicism claims that the chain of Popes has not been broken since the days of Peter with Peter as the 1st Pope (God on earth). This is not factually true as recorded in the Holy Bible. Peter was given the keys to the kingdom of Christ (the church on earth) (Matt. 16:19). The record shows that on the day of Pentecost in the 1st century Peter stood side by side with the 11 other apostles of Christ, not as head of the church but as equals, as All 12 of the Apostles received the baptism of the Holy Spirit as promised via the Christ (Acts 2:1-4) All of the Apostles preached the gospel of Christ (Acts 2:14).


According to history actual the first Roman Catholic Pope did not come into existence until the year 588 A.D. when John the Faster claimed the office as UNIVERSAL BISHOP. Gregory the Great called him an Anti-Christ for such a proclamation. Referenced from "The Bible vs. Romanism", Trice, pg. 67-68

Catholicism teaches that man made tradition is equal to the recorded word of God in scripture. Some of these traditions have Christians commanded to pray to a human (Mary).

The Bible teaches the truth. Mary did not remain a virgin she had children, the siblings of Jesus (Matt. 12:46-47). There is not one example of anyone ever praying to Mary in the Holy Scriptures.

Catholicism teaches that certain men can enter the priesthood and must remain celibate. The Bible teaches that ALL CHRISTIANS EVERY MEMBER OF THE CHURCH OF CHRIST is a member of the priesthood (1 Peter 2:9)....and it was the supposed 1st pope that recorded that fact of scripture......PETER. The scriptures teach that a man can marry and still be part of the church or a priest (1 Cor. 7:2)

Most importantly Catholicism teaches that man made tradition (example: Christmast, Easter...etc., that you will not find in scripture) is equal to the actual doctrine record of the Holy Bible....the Bible contradicts this tradition and unambiguously declares that nothing should be added or taken away from the word of God (Rev. 22:18-19):bigthink:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sola_scriptura
 
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moon said:
Naturally. The scriptures are the work of Man.
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Indeed........approximately 35 men to be somewhat precise. What? Did you expect God to miracle the words to paper? The Bible declares that the word of God was INSPIRED by the Holy Spirit, not drafted by the Holy Spirit. Just prove any portion of the scriptures to be FALSE beyond the reason of doubt. ;) I must see your super-natural-0-meter that you use to debunk statements made up to 5000 years ago. You can no more disprove the miracles in scripture than I can use the laws of physics to prove them true. But over 90% of the scriptures can be tested via the laws of physics and history....and thus far the SCRIPTURES REMAIN unbroken.....unlike the Koran, The Book of Moron, etc., which cannot stand up to the test of history actual and applied science.
 
Ralph said:
I am against all FALSE DOCTRINES....I don't discriminate, if its not in scripture its nothing but man made doctrine. Its called Sola Scriptura worship with the Holy Scriptures used entirely as doctrine. When man made tradition injects itself as doctrine their is no standard to calibrate what is truth and what is fake. The Christ called those of his era that used the man made traditions instead of the actual record found in scripture as doctrine. He called them Vipers, the blind leading the blind, hypocrites, children of hell, fools (Matt. 15:12-14, Matt. 23:15, 17, 23, 24, 27-28, 33).

The Christ was never afraid to call a lying dog a lying dog. You want to know about the history of the Catholic Church? Just read history actual, then read from the Holy Scriptures about wearing pomp0us uniforms and commanding people to follow the word of these pompous leaders instead of the actual word of God.

The record is clear, compare the Catholic Church with the actual text and record of the Holy Bible.

1. Catholicism declares the POPE as the head of the church and Christ's proxy here on earth, what do the scriptures say about that? There is only ONE head of the church and its not a pope that calls himself LORD over the church .....the head of the church is Christ Jesus as He rules over the church beside Father God in Heaven (Eph. 1:22-23, 4:5, Col:1-18)

The Pope cannot be the head of the church if the Christ is the head of the church "He (Jesus) is the blessed AND ONLY POTENTATE, the King of Kings, the Lord of Lords, WHO ALONE HAS IMMORATLITY, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see, to whom be honor and everlasting power." -- (1 Tim. 6:15-16)

Catholicism claims that the chain of Popes has not been broken since the days of Peter with Peter as the 1st Pope (God on earth). This is not factually true as recorded in the Holy Bible. Peter was given the keys to the kingdom of Christ (the church on earth) (Matt. 16:19). The record shows that on the day of Pentecost in the 1st century Peter stood side by side with the 11 other apostles of Christ, not as head of the church but as equals, as All 12 of the Apostles received the baptism of the Holy Spirit as promised via the Christ (Acts 2:1-4) All of the Apostles preached the gospel of Christ (Acts 2:14).


According to history actual the first Roman Catholic Pope did not come into existence until the year 588 A.D. when John the Faster claimed the office as UNIVERSAL BISHOP. Gregory the Great called him an Anti-Christ for such a proclamation. Referenced from "The Bible vs. Romanism", Trice, pg. 67-68

Catholicism teaches that man made tradition is equal to the recorded word of God in scripture. Some of these traditions have Christians commanded to pray to a human (Mary).

The Bible teaches the truth. Mary did not remain a virgin she had children, the siblings of Jesus (Matt. 12:46-47). There is not one example of anyone ever praying to Mary in the Holy Scriptures.

Catholicism teaches that certain men can enter the priesthood and must remain celibate. The Bible teaches that ALL CHRISTIANS EVERY MEMBER OF THE CHURCH OF CHRIST is a member of the priesthood (1 Peter 2:9)....and it was the supposed 1st pope that recorded that fact of scripture......PETER. The scriptures teach that a man can marry and still be part of the church or a priest (1 Cor. 7:2)

Most importantly Catholicism teaches that man made tradition (example: Christmast, Easter...etc., that you will not find in scripture) is equal to the actual doctrine record of the Holy Bible....the Bible contradicts this tradition and unambiguously declares that nothing should be added or taken away from the word of God (Rev. 22:18-19):bigthink:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sola_scriptura
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The Catholic church is the first true church.

Protestants are the sinners & fakers.

Protestants broke away from Catholicism.

That's actually a sin, we're supposed to make changes within the true church, not create different factions.

Besides, Protestants have killed far more Catholics, than vice versa.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
The disturbing part isn't man's violence upon his fellow man, but when God orders the brutal mass murder of innocent people.

Example. Hosea 13:16
The people of Samaria must bear their guilt,
because they have rebelled against their God.
They will fall by the sword;
their little ones will be dashed to the ground,
their pregnant women ripped open.”


Doesn't this mean God is okay with abortions if they're Samarian?
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There are things that GOD HATES. Spelling of innocent blood is one such thing. He finds it an abomination to spill "INNOCENT" blood......(Prov. 6:16-19)....but it was God that introduced Capital Punishment as payment for the spilling of innocent blood (Genesis 9:5-6)

You simply do not comprehend the difference between JUSTICE and MURDER. I wonder why you had to go to the OLD LAW in an attempt to produce a violent passage? The Old Testament had nothing to do with the NEW TESTAMENT OF THE CHRIST.......the laws of Moses etc., were drafted for one nation and one nation only...........THE BIBICAL NATION of ISRAEL. And those murders that you declare are unjust? They were ordered to death because THEY STOLE the CHILDREN of ISRAEL, tied them to a stake and sacrificed them to their fake god, burning them alive. It was better for these children to die innocently and go to heaven that be allowed to grow up in the tradition of their pagan tribes and go to hell. In battle the nation of Israel had no method of killing the parent and saving the children in the womb, if engaged they were killed with the parent being responsible for that child's death....not God..when the children could be saved.......they were and used as slaves.

Israel was a nomadic tribe...they constantly moved during that time period......they had no prisons, so they sentenced those captured in battle to be slaves. Slaves that were treated righteously, housed, fed, treated, etc., slaves that could gain citizenship to the nation of Israel at some point in the future if they adapted to the traditions of Israel.


Again.......the covenant between between God and Man called the Mosaic Covenant was for only one peoples on earth.....the Jewish people of the nation of Israel, no other nation on earth has such a covenant with God. (Deut. 4) There was no covenant for the Greeks or any other peoples on earth, that's why it was but temporary....until the time of the Christ would encompass the world.

Again........show me in the Bible, in the New Testament Doctrine......how converts are to made Christians via the point of a sword? Book, Chapter and Verse please. Only the righteous portions of the Laws of Moses was carried forth into the New Covenant of Grace........9 of the 10 commandments are found to exist in the New Testament of the Christ.....only Sabbath worship is omitted as it was specifically for the nation of Biblical Israel. Christians worship on the 1st day of the week (Sunday) not the last or 7th day (Saturday). A Christians sabbath (rest) comes after this life is lived......
 
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There are things that GOD HATES. Spelling of innocent blood is one such thing. He finds it an abomination to spill "INNOCENT" blood......(Prov. 6:16-19)....but it was God that introduced Capital Punishment as payment for the spilling of innocent blood (Genesis 9:5-6)...
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I don't do text walls will so just do the first part.

If God "HATES" then God isn't all powerful. You are limiting God by claiming he's emotional like a human being. Your dance around Hosea 13:16 was crappy. You'll never be as good as Ginger Rogers.
 
WitoldPilecki said:
The Catholic church is the first true church.

Protestants are the sinners & fakers.

Protestants broke away from Catholicism.

That's actually a sin, we're supposed to make changes within the true church, not create different factions.

Besides, Protestants have killed far more Catholics, than vice versa.
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You know the difference between "PROPAGANDA" and "TRUTH"? The truth can be documented. When the topic is Christianity........just where does one go to document the TRUTH? The Holy Scriptures. I documented every thing via BOOK, CHAPTER and VERSE.....and your retort? Ad Hominem Bullshit Propaganda. Typical of a fake religion.....you've been indoctrinated into a CULT....a cult that can be demonstrated to have executed the Crusades and Spanish Inquisitions. You can't hide from truth.....you can only bitch and whine in an emotional tirade.
 
Ralph said:
You know the difference between "PROPAGANDA" and "TRUTH"? The truth can be documented. When the topic is Christianity........just where does one go to document the TRUTH? The Holy Scriptures. I documented every thing via BOOK, CHAPTER and VERSE.....and your retort? Ad Hominem Bullshit Propaganda. Typical of a fake religion.....you've been indoctrinated into a CULT....a cult that can be demonstrated to have executed the Crusades and Spanish Inquisitions. You can't hide from truth.....you can only bitch and whine in an emotional tirade.
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Protestants killed millions of Catholics, and Catholics killed how many Protestants?

Protestants are trash, I don't respect them, and see them as sinners & degenerates! (At least overall)
 
AProudLefty said:
Actually some Republicans said they will vote for Biden because they're tired of Trump bullshit.

tick tock!
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BFD (big Fucking Deal); they weren't Republicans to begin with. And those who label as Republican's and serving may find themselves jobless in the next election. Only willful idiots would vote for a geriatric with the beginnings of dementia to an office this important.
 
Truth Detector said:
BFD (big Fucking Deal); they weren't Republicans to begin with. And those who label as Republican's and serving may find themselves jobless in the next election. Only willful idiots would vote for a geriatric with the beginnings of dementia to an office this important.
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They weren't Republicans to begin with according to you. :palm: No true Scotsman fallacy.
 
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Great religioins? OK. I don't see much difference. They suck up money from the poor and cause wars and hate.We would do much better without any of them.
 
Nordberg said:
Great religioins? OK. I don't see much difference. They suck up money from the poor and cause wars and hate.We would do much better without any of them.
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In China there are institutions wherein believers are interred while the authorities attempt to educate religion away. This gives rise to the question of what ' belief ' actually is.
 
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