Israel is not "Apartheid". Excellent Historically Accurate Article

You want an example of a current "apartheid state?" It would be the US with Native American reservations. Those are true apartheid homelands within the US.
 
domer76 said:
Nobody said no Jews lived there, so don’t try that bullshit.

The fact is, when the partition was decided upon, the Jews were the MINORITY population, yet were going to be awarded the majority of the land. Probably the best land, as well. The Zionists apparently had a better lobby with the partitioners.

Hence, the Arab rejection and the start of the wars in 1947-48. And the mass exodus of the Arabs living in that area. Fled their homes for safety or were merely ejected. The Israelis then created laws that allowed confiscation of those properties in absence of those who fled. No compensation.

That’s what created the original population that we now see in Gaza. And you wonder why there’s animosity toward Israel.
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2,000,000 Jews, 700,000 Arab "Palestinians"...

Jews were not the minority.

You don't get to make up facts.

The nation that displaced the most Palestinian folk was Jordan when they annexed and renamed Trans-Jordan.
 
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domer76 said:
Nobody said no Jews lived there, so don’t try that bullshit.

The fact is, when the partition was decided upon, the Jews were the MINORITY population, yet were going to be awarded the majority of the land. Probably the best land, as well. The Zionists apparently had a better lobby with the partitioners.

Hence, the Arab rejection and the start of the wars in 1947-48. And the mass exodus of the Arabs living in that area. Fled their homes for safety or were merely ejected. The Israelis then created laws that allowed confiscation of those properties in absence of those who fled. No compensation.

That’s what created the original population that we now see in Gaza. And you wonder why there’s animosity toward Israel.
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2,000,000 Jews, 700,000 Arab "Palestinians"...

Jews were not the minority.

You don't get to make up facts.
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I certainly agree that no one should get to make up facts. Speaking of facts, where are you getting yours from?

I've been looking at a Wikipedia page on the demographics of Palestine over the centuries up to 1947, and there is never a point where the Jewish population was even close to 2 million prior to and including 1947. Take a look for yourself:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Palestine_(region)

To give some idea of just how few Jewish people were in Palestine going back a few hundred years, there were only around 7000 Jews in Palestine in 1800, according to Sergio Della Pergola, an Italian-Israeli demographer and statistician. At the time, there were 22,000 Christians and 246,000 Muslims, with the total population of Palestine being around 275,000. By 1890, the populations of all 3 religions had grown, but the Jewish population was the one that grew the most, going from around 7000 to 43,000. By 1914, the Jewish population more than doubled in size once more to 94,000, but contracted briefly in 1922 to 84,000. After that, it once again grew more than the Arab and Christian populations, going to 175,000 by 1931, a mere 9 years after 1922. The largest influx was in the final years prior to 1947- by 1947, there were 630,000 Jewish people living in Israel. Even then, however, the Muslim population was almost twice as much as the Jewish one, standing at around 1,181,000, with Christians making up the remainder with 143,000.

I think it's worth looking into why the Jewish population grew so much in such a short time. It would seem that Britain's support for Jewish migration had a lot to do with it. I think the 25 years leading up to the Arab-Israeli war are very educational. From a Wikipedia article on the one state solution:

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In 1922, the League of Nations granted Britain a mandate for Palestine. Like all League of Nations Mandates, this mandate derived from article 22 of the League of Nations Covenant, which called for the self-determination of former Ottoman Empire colonies after a transitory period administered by a world power.[22] The Palestine Mandate recognized the Balfour Declaration and required that the mandatory government "facilitate Jewish immigration" while at the same time "ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced".[23]

Disagreements over Jewish immigration as well as incitement by Haj Amin Al-Husseini led to an outbreak of Arab-Jewish violence in the Palestine Riots of 1920. Violence erupted again the following year during the Jaffa Riots. In response to these riots, Britain established the Haycraft Commission of Inquiry. The British Mandatory authorities put forward proposals for setting up an elected legislative council in Palestine. In 1924 the issue was raised at a conference held by Ahdut Ha'avodah at Ein Harod. Shlomo Kaplansky, a veteran leader of Poalei Zion, argued that a Parliament, even with an Arab majority, was the way forward. David Ben-Gurion, the emerging leader of the Yishuv, succeeded in getting Kaplansky's ideas rejected.[24] Violence erupted again in the form of the 1929 Palestine riots. After the violence, the British led another commission of inquiry under Sir Walter Shaw. The report of the Shaw Commission, known as the Shaw Report or Command Paper No 3530, attributed the violence to "the twofold fear of the Arabs that, by Jewish immigration and land purchase, they might be deprived of their livelihood and, in time, pass under the political domination of the Jews".[25]

Violence erupted again during the 1936–39 Arab revolt in Palestine. The British established the Peel Commission of 1936–1937 in order to put an end to the violence. The Peel Commission concluded that only partition could put an end to the violence, and proposed the Peel Partition Plan. While the Jewish community accepted the concept of partition, not all members endorsed the implementation proposed by the Peel Commission. The Arab community entirely rejected the Peel Partition Plan, which included population transfers, primarily of Arabs. The partition plan was abandoned, and in 1939 Britain issued its White Paper of 1939 clarifying its "unequivocal" position that "it is not part of [Britain's] policy that Palestine should become a Jewish State" and that "The independent State [of Palestine] should be one in which Arabs and Jews share government in such a way as to ensure that the essential interests of each community are safeguarded."

The White Paper of 1939 sought to accommodate Arab demands regarding Jewish immigration by placing a quota of 10,000 Jewish immigrants per year over a five-year period from 1939 to 1944. It also required Arab consent for further Jewish immigration. The White Paper was seen by the Jewish community as a revocation of the Balfour Declaration, and due to Jewish persecution in the Holocaust, Jews continued to immigrate illegally in what has become known as Aliyah Bet.[26]

Continued violence and the heavy cost of World War II prompted Britain to turn over the issue of Palestine to the United Nations in 1947. In its debates, the UN divided its member States into two subcommittees: one to address options for partition and a second to address all other options. The Second Subcommittee, which included all the Arab and Muslim States members, issued a long report arguing that partition was illegal according to the terms of the Mandate and proposing a unitary democratic state that would protect rights of all citizens equally.[27] The General Assembly instead voted for partition and in UN General Assembly Resolution 181 recommended that the Mandate territory of Palestine be partitioned into a Jewish state and an Arab state. The Jewish community accepted the 1947 partition plan, and declared independence as the State of Israel in 1948. The Arab community rejected the partition plan, and army units from five Arab countries – Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Transjordan, and Egypt – contributed to a united Arab army that attempted to invade the territory, resulting in the 1948 Arab–Israeli War.
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Grokmaster said:
Jimmy Carter was a moron who supports dictatorships, even to the point of approving knwon to be fraudulent elects in Venezuela for example.


I see you are too afraid to face the facts.


How is Israel "apartheid" if Arabs who live there enjoy full citizenship?


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There are presently 10 Arabs in the Israeli Knesset? I wonder how many Jews in Hamas?
 
domer76 said:
Not from the Palestinians. They merely confiscated it.
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Yes a lot of land had been purchased from the Arabs that owned it many of the Palestinians were renters or just squatters.

Besides Israel owned the land long before the Arabs did the Arabs pay them for any of it?
 
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domer76 said:
The first lie she told was that the Jews were the ones displaced in the wake of the 1947-48 conflict. In fact, 700,000 Arabs were. That’s when I stopped reading the article.
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I almost stopped reading at the reasoning it is not apartheid because Jewish culture put down roots there but then were displaced 2,000 years ago. There may be good arguments against it being apartheid; that isn't one of them.
 
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martin said:
I almost stopped reading at the reasoning it is not apartheid because Jewish culture put down roots there but then were displaced 2,000 years ago.
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So a Muslim army conquered Jerusalem in 636 AD and began TAKING Jewish land so they are the rightful owners???? interesting. :thinking:
 
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