Israel is Panicking

Not like Saddam did. He harbored virtually any fugitive terrorist escaping justice. He built camps and offered training to terrorists and terrorist groups. He was paying $10,000 to any Palestinian family who had a member "martyr" themselves in a suicide attack against Israel. He was almost certainly a funding source for the 9/11 terrorists, not in whole, but in part.
Well, it only took us decades to "fix" that, right? A half-million dead(see below) and trillions from our treasury. The Republicons fuck everything up.
100,000 dead? Where'd you get that number from, the Lancet?
Just a search in Edge:

151,000 to 600,000
The Iraq War resulted in a significant human cost, with estimated civilian deaths ranging from 151,000 to 600,000. Coalition forces, Iraqi security forces, and insurgents also incurred substantial casualties, with over 4,800 American soldiers and 450 British soldiers killed.


Had we not invaded, it is highly likely that Al Queda would have fled there to escape US forces in Afghanistan.
Oh, thanks for reminding me - and the Republi-cons let Bid Laden escape!

Everything a Republican touches dies - some times up to 500,000 of them!
 
Not like Saddam did. .... He was paying $10,000 to any Palestinian family who had a member "martyr" themselves in a suicide attack against Israel.
Nope. Do you know why you have no evidence to support this? You get three guesses.

He was almost certainly a funding source for the 9/11 terrorists, not in whole, but in part.
Go with the uncertainly part.

100,000 dead? Where'd you get that number from, the Lancet?
What do you have to dispute it?

Had we not invaded, it is highly likely that Al Queda would have fled there to escape US forces in Afghanistan.
Quite possibly.
 
Coalition forces, Iraqi security forces, and insurgents also incurred substantial casualties, with over 4,800 American soldiers and 450 British soldiers killed.
The USA also suffered over 70,000 permanently disabled.


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Why do you think Saddam came to power right before the Iraq-Iran war?
Reading Saddam's bio, your version is pretty much full of shit. His history sounds far more like a parallel to the rise of communism in Russia and the USSR with Saddam rising through the ranks of the Ba'ath party to gain a position much like Lavrenty Beria as head of what amounted to the secret police arm of that party, solely controlled by him in 1966.

He consolidated that power and by 1970 had gained full control of the government. Much like Stalin--the Ba'athists were very close to Marxists in their political and economic outlook--he began a ruthless economic and grandiose central plan to build up Iraq. Saddam saw himself as "defender of the Arab world" as well. Sounds like several other ruthless dictators to me.

His huge spending on public works, both for the general welfare and grandiose projects to himself, brought the economy to the point of collapse so he embarked on a series of wars of conquest against his neighbors. That too sounds like many other ruthless dictators.

Interestingly, up to 1978, the ayatollah Khomeini--who later overthrew the Shah in Iran--was residing in Bagdad having been exiled from Iran. At that time Saddam exiled him to France because Khomeini was stirring up the Shite arm of Islam within Iraq and Saddam wasn't happy about that. Up until Khomeini returned to Iran and overthrew the Shah, it was Saddam's position to maintain peaceful relations with Iran.

On the whole, it sounds far more like Saddam was just another power-hungry dictator of the radical Left looking to gain more power and extend his worldview on politics and economics of the far Left than some puppet of the CIA.
 
Yeah - and this reminds me of a discussion you and I were having: THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS WERE AGAINST THE IRAQ INVASION. Just as the majority of the people of Israel are against Bibi's criminal campaign in Gaza.
I have to correct you there. The majority of Jewish Israelis want Gaza to be ethnically-cleansed- according to polls.Israeli public opinion..JPG
 
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I have to correct you there. The majority of Jewish Israelis want Gaza to be ethnically-cleansed- according to polls.View attachment 52379
Your quoting from a "death to Israel" source. Here are the actual numbers and an explanation for your poll:

"https://www.google.com/search?q=pol...MuM7gHsRzCBwgyLTIwLjcuMcgH0QE&sclient=gws-wiz


Support for Ending the War: There is evidence of significant support for ending the war in Gaza, particularly among Israeli Arabs. A survey from October 2024 showed that 53% of Israelis overall believed the time had come to end the war, with this sentiment more pronounced among Arab respondents. Concerns about the continued danger to hostages also contribute to this sentiment.
  • Support for Expulsion: Some polls, notably one conducted by Pennsylvania State University, suggest high support for the forced expulsion of Palestinians from the Gaza Strip among Israeli Jews. This figure was reported as 82% in one survey. However, other polls using different methodologies have shown lower percentages for such measures, indicating a complex and potentially fluid public opinion landscape. It's crucial to consider the sampling and wording of questions when interpreting these results.
 
ISRAEL WAS SUCCESSFUL.

Israel rushed to sabotage Donald Trump's peace talks with Iran before he was successful. Trump had announced that Iran was about to sign a peace treaty, and so Israel had no time to waste in putting the kabosh on that. Israel straight up bombed Iran and assassinated Iranians while Iran tried to talk peace ... and Iran finally had to give up, noting that the US wasn't making any effort to stop Israel from simply killing people.

Iran calls nuclear talks ‘unjustifiable’

Iran says its nuclear program is for peaceful purposes only, and U.S. intelligence agencies have assessed that Tehran was not actively pursuing the bomb. But its uranium enrichment has reached near weapons-grade levels, and on Thursday, the U.N.’s atomic watchdog censured Iran for not complying with obligations meant to prevent it from developing a nuclear weapon.

Iran’s top diplomat said Saturday the nuclear talks were “unjustifiable” after Israel’s strikes. Abbas Araghchi’s comments came during a call with Kaja Kallas, the European Union’s top diplomat.

The Israeli airstrikes were the “result of the direct support by Washington,” Araghchi said in a statement carried by the state-run IRNA news agency. The U.S. has said it isn’t part of the strikes.
 
ISRAEL WAS SUCCESSFUL.

Israel rushed to sabotage Donald Trump's peace talks with Iran before he was successful. Trump had announced that Iran was about to sign a peace treaty, and so Israel had no time to waste in putting the kabosh on that. Israel straight up bombed Iran and assassinated Iranians while Iran tried to talk peace ... and Iran finally had to give up, noting that the US wasn't making any effort to stop Israel from simply killing people.

Iran calls nuclear talks ‘unjustifiable’

Iran says its nuclear program is for peaceful purposes only, and U.S. intelligence agencies have assessed that Tehran was not actively pursuing the bomb. But its uranium enrichment has reached near weapons-grade levels, and on Thursday, the U.N.’s atomic watchdog censured Iran for not complying with obligations meant to prevent it from developing a nuclear weapon.

Iran’s top diplomat said Saturday the nuclear talks were “unjustifiable” after Israel’s strikes. Abbas Araghchi’s comments came during a call with Kaja Kallas, the European Union’s top diplomat.

The Israeli airstrikes were the “result of the direct support by Washington,” Araghchi said in a statement carried by the state-run IRNA news agency. The U.S. has said it isn’t part of the strikes.
Then why have they enriched large quantities of uranium to 60%? This has no commercial or research value.
 
Reading Saddam's bio, your version is pretty much full of shit. His history sounds far more like a parallel to the rise of communism in Russia and the USSR with Saddam rising through the ranks of the Ba'ath party to gain a position much like Lavrenty Beria as head of what amounted to the secret police arm of that party, solely controlled by him in 1966.

He consolidated that power and by 1970 had gained full control of the government. Much like Stalin--the Ba'athists were very close to Marxists in their political and economic outlook--he began a ruthless economic and grandiose central plan to build up Iraq. Saddam saw himself as "defender of the Arab world" as well. Sounds like several other ruthless dictators to me.

His huge spending on public works, both for the general welfare and grandiose projects to himself, brought the economy to the point of collapse so he embarked on a series of wars of conquest against his neighbors. That too sounds like many other ruthless dictators.

Interestingly, up to 1978, the ayatollah Khomeini--who later overthrew the Shah in Iran--was residing in Bagdad having been exiled from Iran. At that time Saddam exiled him to France because Khomeini was stirring up the Shite arm of Islam within Iraq and Saddam wasn't happy about that. Up until Khomeini returned to Iran and overthrew the Shah, it was Saddam's position to maintain peaceful relations with Iran.

On the whole, it sounds far more like Saddam was just another power-hungry dictator of the radical Left looking to gain more power and extend his worldview on politics and economics of the far Left than some puppet of the CIA.
Using Google and Wikipedia for your info is like getting it straight from the CIA. Google was started for the CIA and Wikipedia is CIA approved. No different than corporate and social media.

Manuel Noriega was also on the CIA payroll yet daddy Bush invaded Panama to arrest him for the crime of saying NO. Talk about narcissistic personality disorder. This is who yall vote for then believe the propaganda fed to you.
 
Then why have they enriched large quantities of uranium to 60%?
Iran is trying to develop nuclear power. The United States recognizes this and applauds Iran's efforts. At the same time, the US is rightly concerned that Iran has enriched uranium beyond what it needs for a nuclear reactor. Trump told Iran directly that they cannot have a nuclear weapon, but they can have a peaceful nuclear program to bring energy to the people of Iran, and this requires inspections and verifications. It was that to which Iran was about to agree before Israel threw the wrench into the intake.

This has no commercial or research value.
It has immense value in delivering power throughout the country. Your comment is exactly the opposite of international concerns. The world believes that Iran is being "very efficient" in its uranium enrichment. Iran has no nuclear weapons, is trying to develop nuclear power (documented for decades) and has Israel shouting "Iran is enriching uranium! Iran is enriching uranium!" Because of the power and influence Israel wields, the European Union and the United States felt obligated to somehow "chastize" Iran to make Israel happy, despite recognizing that Iran's uranium is not weapons grade and that their nuclear program is totally legal and acceptable to everyone ... except Israel. So the IAEA needlessly "censured" Iran for its effective uranium enrichment process. The main point that should never be lost is that there is no issue here if inspectors are allowed to inspect and verify ... and Iran was about to agree to that ... when Israel deliberately sabotaged the agreement by attacking Iran and assassinating Iranian leaders.

The world recognizes the value of Iran's uranium; the world simply wants inspectors to observe and verify the peaceful implementation of Iran's nuclear program. Israel does not want peace.
 
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