Israel plans ‘indefinite’ controls over Gaza, says Netanyahu

[Guno צְבִי]

The Gaza Strip should be governed by “those who don’t want to continue the way of Hamas”, Netanyahu said, without clarifying whether he was referring to the Palestinian Authority, a rival to the militant group, or an international force.

“I think Israel, for an indefinite period, will have the overall security responsibility because we’ve seen what happens when we don’t have it.”

Netanyahu’s comments reflect changing Israeli policy amid concerns among foreign diplomats about whether Israel has a clear plan about what will happen once the fighting stops.

In October, Gallant said Israel would no longer have “responsibility for life in the Gaza Strip” once the war was over. He added that the conflict would create “a new security reality” for Israeli citizens.


https://www.ft.com/content/bdd6b3c7-baae-4cc6-81e7-e6b42504d18d

 

[Walt]

There is no exit strategy for this war, nor any reasonable force that can occupy and run the Gaza Strip. This was Hamas' plan, and they have gotten there way in this regard. I literally see no solution.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

There is no exit strategy for this war, nor any reasonable force that can occupy and run the Gaza Strip. This was Hamas' plan, and they have gotten there way in this regard. I literally see no solution.

Complete, unconditional victory is the solution,
and we can't let concern over "innocent civilians and children"
prevent the required solution.

If we do, innocent civilians and children will be served up to slaughter in perpetuity.

 

[Yakuda]

There is no exit strategy for this war, nor any reasonable force that can occupy and run the Gaza Strip. This was Hamas' plan, and they have gotten there way in this regard. I literally see no solution.

Hamas sees a solution. Explain how we get them to not pursue that solution. It isnt fate that prevents a solution.

 

[Walt]

Complete, unconditional victory is the solution

We had complete, unconditional victory in WWII, after which we occupied Japan and Germany, and administered their government. I cannot picture a world where IDF administers the government for the 2.4 million Gazans. Just building a waterline would require hundreds of Israeli casualties.

I hope I am wrong.

 

[Walt]

Hamas sees a solution.

Hamas does not see a problem, so has no reason to see a solution. Hamas does not see perpetual death as a problem.

Explain how we get them to not pursue that solution. It isnt fate that prevents a solution.

As I said, I literally see no solution.

I suppose after a few decades of perpetual death, a solution might present itself. I am 52 years old, so might see the first hints of a solution if I live long enough. Or maybe not.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

We had complete, unconditional victory in WWII, after which we occupied Japan and Germany, and administered their government. I cannot picture a world where IDF administers the government for the 2.4 million Gazans. Just building a waterline would require hundreds of Israeli casualties.

I hope I am wrong.

When occupation is impractical, the next step is what?

You know. Dare you say it?

 

[Walt]

When occupation is impractical, the next step is what?

You know. Dare you say it?

I am not even saying only Israeli occupation is impractical, but that there is no force on earth willing and able to practically occupy Gaza. If Gaza was unpopulated, that would not be a problem, but they have 2.4 million people with absolutely nowhere to go.

I refuse to say that genocide is an option, but I am willing to say it exists as a thing. It is a way to get rid of 2.4 million people who are a problem. Even if there are no other options, killing 2.4 million people cannot be an option.

Maybe in 10 or 20 years, the Palestinian Authority can be rebuilt to a point they can start to occupy Gaza. From there, it would be a few decades before it really started to work.

And maybe we can find a part of Hamas that is reasonable, but I think we have a better chance of finding unicorns.

Egypt and the other Arab states want no part of this, and I really do not blame them.

The Economist is talking about the possibility of Israel setting up a huge refugee camp in Israel proper to try to control Gaza, and then after a decade of fighting returning the Gazans to Gaza. I do not think that is possible.

No, I keep coming back to the Palestinian Authority as being the only option, and not a good option at that. If there were any other options, I would not even admit this one was possible.

 

[Yakuda]

Hamas does not see a problem, so has no reason to see a solution. Hamas does not see perpetual death as a problem.



As I said, I literally see no solution.

I suppose after a few decades of perpetual death, a solution might present itself. I am 52 years old, so might see the first hints of a solution if I live long enough. Or maybe not.

Then you have no idea what's going on. The solution Hamas sees and seeks is the complete eradication of Jews from the face of the earth. That's the ONLY solution they see and want.

What was the solution to Hitler's murderous desires for Jews? Maybe thats the solution

 

[Concart]

Then this effort to root out Hamas will be an utter failure. It makes more sense for an independent organization of some kind to govern the West Bank and Gaza temporarily and the Israelis should remove settlers from the West Bank, since they are actively trying to keep the Palestinians down. Sorry, but what is being proposed will simply lead to a new terrorist organization springing to life to replace Hamas. Get the boot off the throat. And frankly, get the hell out of office. He might actually be more corrupt than Trump.

President Obamas statement about the complexity of the situation is the most apt to date.

 

[ExpressLane]

The Gaza Strip should be governed by “those who don’t want to continue the way of Hamas”, Netanyahu said, without clarifying whether he was referring to the Palestinian Authority, a rival to the militant group, or an international force.

“I think Israel, for an indefinite period, will have the overall security responsibility because we’ve seen what happens when we don’t have it.”

Netanyahu’s comments reflect changing Israeli policy amid concerns among foreign diplomats about whether Israel has a clear plan about what will happen once the fighting stops.

In October, Gallant said Israel would no longer have “responsibility for life in the Gaza Strip” once the war was over. He added that the conflict would create “a new security reality” for Israeli citizens.


https://www.ft.com/content/bdd6b3c7-baae-4cc6-81e7-e6b42504d18d

I'm sure Israel does not want to control Gaza but the last time they relinquished control it didn't turn out well for them. Maybe this time they will replace all the water pipes with PVC pipes.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

The Gaza Strip should be governed by “those who don’t want to continue the way of Hamas”, Netanyahu said, without clarifying whether he was referring to the Palestinian Authority, a rival to the militant group, or an international force.

“I think Israel, for an indefinite period, will have the overall security responsibility because we’ve seen what happens when we don’t have it.”

Netanyahu’s comments reflect changing Israeli policy amid concerns among foreign diplomats about whether Israel has a clear plan about what will happen once the fighting stops.

In October, Gallant said Israel would no longer have “responsibility for life in the Gaza Strip” once the war was over. He added that the conflict would create “a new security reality” for Israeli citizens.


https://www.ft.com/content/bdd6b3c7-baae-4cc6-81e7-e6b42504d18d

It's been the same story for 75 years: the Israelis give the Palestinians an inch, they take a mile and the Israelis take it all back. I can't blame them for losing patience with their Terrorists-next-door.

 

[Walt]

The solution Hamas sees and seeks is the complete eradication of Jews from the face of the earth. That's the ONLY solution they see and want.

That is their extreme desire, but they do not think that is a near term solution. They are overjoyed with the perpetual war that is a near term solution. The last thing they want is peace.

What was the solution to Hitler's murderous desires for Jews? Maybe thats the solution

Hitler wanted a thousand years of war to keep the German bloodline strong. He too had no interest in peace, except to give him more time for war.