Israel vs Judah

ThatOwlWoman said:
I know. One of the required courses for my degree is a semester-long study of the boarding school era. I am really dreading it.
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Wow. There's a film that is well done about Indian boarding schools.. I'm drawing a blank.. damn it.. Will get back to you.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
IF it ever comes to you let me know; I'm interested in seeing it.
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Found it.


The Only Good Indian (2009)
IMDb synopsis:
Set in Kansas during the early 1900s, a teen-aged Native American boy (newcomer Winter Fox Frank) is taken from his family and forced to attend a distant Indian "training" school to assimilate into White society. When he escapes to return to his family, Sam Franklin (Wes Studi), a bounty hunter of Cherokee descent, is hired to find and return him to the institution.

Franklin, a former Indian scout for the U.S. Army, has renounced his Native heritage and has adopted the White Man's way of life, believing it's the only way for Indians to survive. Along the way, a tragic incident spurs Franklin's longtime nemesis, the famous "Indian Fighter" Sheriff Henry McCoy (J. Kenneth Campbell), to pursue both Franklin and the boy.
Here's the movie trailer:
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Unfortunately, YouTube doesn't have it; there are only links to other sites.
 
kudzu said:
Found it.


The Only Good Indian (2009)
IMDb synopsis:
Set in Kansas during the early 1900s, a teen-aged Native American boy (newcomer Winter Fox Frank) is taken from his family and forced to attend a distant Indian "training" school to assimilate into White society. When he escapes to return to his family, Sam Franklin (Wes Studi), a bounty hunter of Cherokee descent, is hired to find and return him to the institution.

Franklin, a former Indian scout for the U.S. Army, has renounced his Native heritage and has adopted the White Man's way of life, believing it's the only way for Indians to survive. Along the way, a tragic incident spurs Franklin's longtime nemesis, the famous "Indian Fighter" Sheriff Henry McCoy (J. Kenneth Campbell), to pursue both Franklin and the boy.
Here's the movie trailer:
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Unfortunately, YouTube doesn't have it; there are only links to other sites.
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Thank you very much.

It's not currently available on Amazon either. I bet our center has a copy though.
 
Cypress said:
Ditto.

It really is amazing how much we take for granted in the western, Christian tradition that really goes back to the civilizations of Mesopotamia and Asia Minor.
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My HS world history class and my college survey of Western Civ class both began with Mesopotamia, along with the Nile and Indus River valleys, before getting to the Greeks.
 
guno said:
no such thing as Judeo-Christian that is a goyim construct


There’s No Such Thing As Judeo-Christian Values
https://forward.com/scribe/389735/t...o-christian-values-especially-not-in-the-gop/


The label Judeo-Christian tends to assume, at the expense of Judaism, that Christians and Jews believe essentially the same things.

Jews are prohibited from marrying Christians, setting foot inside a Christian church We reject the Christian idea of christian salvation, we abhor Christian divine teachings on every subject, and we are repulsed and outraged by incessant attempts by Christian missionaries to bring us into their fold.

Judeo-Christian is a term used by Protestant Christians who either want to deny their anti-Jewish feelings or to enlist Jewish support for a philosophically or religiously questionable enterprise in public policy. Funny how I never hear a Jews use this word, only the christians
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I hear Michael Medved use the term all the time.
 
iolo said:
'Judeo-Christian' is a meaningless term, and those who use it are manifestly neither - they are Mammon-worshippers supporting racist colonialism mostly.
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People in the West inherited their culture from both Greco-Roman civilization, as well as ancient Israel.
 
Good grief.............

“We’ve stopped the government’s attacks on our Judeo-Christian values,” President Trump said at a campaign rally and makeshift Roy Moore endorsement speech in Pensacola on December 8.

“We don’t worship government, we worship God,” the President continued.

Trump has used the exact same phrasing in previous speeches. “We don’t worship government, we worship God,” he declared in a speech in October, later adding “we are stopping all our attacks on Judeo-Christian values.”

Similarly, Housing and Urban Development Secretary Ben Carson has deemed Roy Moore to be “someone who reflects the Judeo-Christian values that were so important to the establishment of our country.”

While Trump, Carson, and the religious right’s use of “we” and “our” implies a shared ideological kinship between Jews and Christians, such an assertion, in the midst of a Roy Moore endorsement speech, is resolutely absurd. Jews are certainly not part of this “we”; Jews are overwhelmingly not supportive of the President, Roy Moore or their evangelical kin. Jews, in fact, are on the outside of the rhetorical war — and electoral politics — implied by the term.

Read more: https://forward.com/scribe/389735/t...o-christian-values-especially-not-in-the-gop/
 
Threedee said:
My HS world history class and my college survey of Western Civ class both began with Mesopotamia, along with the Nile and Indus River valleys, before getting to the Greeks.
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Yes, I seem to remember high school history class briefly touched on Mesopotamia, but never in any depth or scope.

And when you think about it, there was about at least a thousand to two thousand years between the classic civilizations of Mesopotamia, and the Athenian democracy and Roman Republic....and history classes basically just skip right over that huge gap of history to quickly get to the achievements of ancient Greece and Rome.
 
Cypress said:
Yes, I seem to remember high school history class briefly touched on Mesopotamia, but never in any depth or scope.

And when you think about it, there was about at least a thousand to two thousand years between the civilization of Mesopotamia, and the Athenian democracy and Roman Republic....and history classes basically just skip right over that huge gap of history to quickly get to the achievements of ancient Greece and Rome.
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There's a lot more documented history of the Greeks than the Mesopotamians. Even Greece suffers compared to Rome, in that much of its earlier history is poorly documented. With the Romans, once you transition from the Kingdom to the Republic, original source material starts to become rapidly available.

EDIT: I noticed an error in my first sentence after Cypress thanked my post. I accidentally said ..."of the Greeks than the Romans."
 
Threedee said:
I think the assumption is that ancient Mesopotamia had influences on the early Hebrews and Greeks, even though we say that those two civilizations are the starting point of Western Civilization.
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Have you read Samuel Noah Kramer?
 
kudzu said:
Have you read Samuel Noah Kramer?
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No, the most recent attempt I made was I thought it would be nifty to try reading through the Durant's entire Story of Civilization series. Of course, the books were written from the 30s through the mid-70s, so they are pretty dated.
 
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