Israeli Airstrike Destroys UN Observation Post

AnyOldIron said:
he wrote that he was claimed to have done "great works" as well as the claim of resurrection.

He did, but Gandhi could be described as having done 'great works'.

Once again, most of them are suggested to be second-hand accounts directly from the people who were there. Suggesting that every news story must have a participant write it or it could never be "evidence" is simply ridiculous.

Not claiming that. Just explaining why I would call them dubious...
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Selective questioning.
 
Selective questioning.

Demonstrate how I am being selective, rather than just stating it.

Once you start backing up your arguments, I'll take you seriously...
 
Is there any Jesus quote in the bible where he says he is a Christian ?

son of God, etc yes, but does he say that he is a Christian ?
 
uscitizen said:
Is there any Jesus quote in the bible where he says he is a Christian ?

son of God, etc yes, but does he say that he is a Christian ?
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He says that he is the fulfillment of prophecy. This is the fundamental difference in Judaism and Christianity. One believes that he has fulfilled the prophecy, the other believes the prophecy is still to be fulfilled.

One must believe that he is the savior in order to believe that the prophecy was fulfilled in Christ. If he believed that, then he believed in the main difference between the religions.
 
The prophecy was mainly about being a jewish messiah, king, deliverer from Rome, etc. Turned out a bit differently though.

But he was not a Christian, the religion was formed after his death and based on him.

btw that was Jewish Prophecy....
 
uscitizen said:
The prophecy was mainly about being a jewish messiah, king, deliverer from Rome, etc. Turned out a bit differently though.

But he was not a Christian, the religion was formed after his death and based on him.

btw that was Jewish Prophecy....
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Except he claimed messiahship to all of humanity, not just jews. that is not a jewish teaching, it is christian. beliefs can exist prior to their label existing. Intelligent people understand that.
 
But how can Jesus be a Christian when he is the founder and the religion did not exist untill after his death.

To be a christian is to be a follower of Christ, his Disciples were the first Christians...

I guess he was a follower of himself and wanted to be as Christlike as he could ?
 
uscitizen said:
But how can Jesus be a Christian when he is the founder and the religion did not exist untill after his death.

To be a christian is to be a follower of Christ, his Disciples were the first Christians...

I guess he was a follower of himself and wanted to be as Christlike as he could ?
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Beginnings are not often seen to be the amazing difference at the beginning. His belief that he was a Deity and the savior of all mankind is the basic precept of the new religion.
 
uscitizen said:
But how can Jesus be a Christian when he is the founder and the religion did not exist untill after his death.

To be a christian is to be a follower of Christ, his Disciples were the first Christians...

I guess he was a follower of himself and wanted to be as Christlike as he could ?
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Because he held christian beliefs. Sometimes the word for a thing is not invented until a later date, but hindsight being what it is we typically use that word to describe things that preceeded it's invention.

Let's say someone had a brain tumor and died in an era before cancer was known. And because cancer was unknown at the time, the event was recorded as "death by demon infestation". Now let's say at a later date, during an era when cancer was known, physicians exhumed the corpse and found evidence of brain tumor. they wouldn't continue to call the cause of death 'demon infestation' because the word 'cancer' was unknown during the corpses lifetime. No. Of course not, they would say, "he died from cancer".
 
Umm go back an update all the old death certificates then AHZ. They still say things like consumption and such on them :)
 
NOT once did Jesus ever say he was a Christian, but he did admit to being a Jew...

Now if you feel the need to invent something else in you religion feel free to be wrong :D
 
uscitizen said:
NOT once did Jesus ever say he was a Christian, but he did admit to being a Jew...

Now if you feel the need to invent something else in you religion feel free to be wrong :D
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He said he was the savior of mankind, a belief we now call christian. Go reread my example about how words can accurately be used retroactively, simpleton.
 
a belief we now call christian.
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Exactly my point, Christians did not exist in Christs time so how could he be a Christian ?
 
uscitizen said:
a belief we now call christian.
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Exactly my point, Christians did not exist in Christs time so how could he be a Christian ?
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Then you refuse to read his posts about facts being pre-label?

That we "now" call it something doesn't change that it is different than Judaism.
 
uscitizen said:
a belief we now call christian.
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Exactly my point, Christians did not exist in Christs time so how could he be a Christian ?
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They existed, they just might not have called themselves christian, but they were. Quit being a purposefully dense douchebag.
 
LOL, well I was a prophet about the war too. You gonna start callme a prophet now AHZ ?

Anyway, I will take the PHD theologians word over you workd on jesus being a Jew anyday.

So Adam was not a Christian, nor was Abraham, Moses, etc, Not even Mother Mary ??? :eek:
 
uscitizen said:
LOL, well I was a prophet about the war too. You gonna start callme a prophet now AHZ ?

Anyway, I will take the PHD theologians word over you workd on jesus being a Jew anyday.

So Adam was not a Christian, nor was Abraham, Moses, etc, Not even Mother Mary ??? :eek:
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right, adam was not a christian, nor was abraham, nor moses. I don't know about mother mary. It depends on what she believed.
 
And neither was Jesus, how can the "god" we worship, worship himself ?

I sure would not let you hook my cart to my horse there AHZ....
 
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