It was the state attorney's office, not local authorities

christiefan915 said:
Let me paraphrase:

You quote a post and accuse me of claiming that the crime was solely because Martin was black. That post did not contain any reference to color. It makes no sense for you to quote a post, yet actually be talking about another post in the middle of our debate. There were insults, you made it up because you got upset I called you out for doing the same thing you're accusing me of... which you then spun into the above fantasy.

That help?
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actually christie...we were debating the two threads at about the same time...so apples/oranges

that happens when there are multiple threads about the same subject going on at the same time
 
hilarious the gang up on dear ol' yurt

dune to afraid to debate, so only insults...same with zappa....mostly true of onceler...christie actually debates
 
ZappasGuitar said:
No...his claim was you'd find some way to split hairs and claim they weren't...and he was right.
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how is it splitting hairs? it either is the same or isn't. there is no middle ground. funny how every time you're wrong, you always whine about splitting hairs. you overuse the term.

FACT: stepping down =/= being suspended.
 
Superfreak said:
The bolded is just plain bullshit. Skittles and Ice Tea does not = thug. Wearing a hoodie while black does not equal thug. If you are using Martins suspensions as justification, in no way could Zimmerman have known about them. From everything we have seen/heard thus far, while I may alter my opinion from murder one as it first appeared, Zimmerman should still be charged with manslaughter at the least (again in my opinion).
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The whole exchange was BS.
If you look at what was posted, you can see that it's nothing more then the same rhetoric that people have been posting about Zimmerman.
Since they're trying to justify their bias, by saying it's to keep the discussion going, then I can make shit up for the same reason.

I see you've now fallen into the "armed with skittles and Iced Tea", with is nothing more then the same BS that others are using; because unless you can show that the skittles and Iced Tea were known by Zimmerman for all that Martin was holding, then it's just another attempt to tip the scales.

Let's just do away with everything and execute Zimmerman; because it appears that this is the only thing that's going to make Martin's defenders feel better.
 
Derp Derp said:
That was pretty much my impression. I'm with holding judgement until I've seen a report of a much more comprehensive ivestigation. My main concern is that I'd hate to see Zimmerman walk if he did indeed commit a crime and secondly, if Zimmerman did commit manslaughter, by most State standards, but walks due to a flawed "Stand Your Ground" law, then I want to see action taken in regards to ammending or repealing that law. Thirdly, if the facts of the investigation show there was any racial profiling involved by any officials involved with this investigation I want to see heads roll.
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"My main concern is that I'd hate to see Zimmerman walk if he did indeed commit a crime and secondly, if Zimmerman did commit manslaughter, by most State standards, but walks due to a flawed "Stand Your Ground" law, then I want to see action taken in regards to ammending or repealing that law."

I would think that your main concern would be that an innocent man would be convicted by public opinion.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
"My main concern is that I'd hate to see Zimmerman walk if he did indeed commit a crime and secondly, if Zimmerman did commit manslaughter, by most State standards, but walks due to a flawed "Stand Your Ground" law, then I want to see action taken in regards to ammending or repealing that law."

I would think that your main concern would be that an innocent man would be convicted by public opinion.
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He won't be, there will be a trial most likely and the courts will decide what happened. Zimmerman will get to plead his case, but Trayvon won't.
 
Superfreak said:
My GUESS would be that there is something in the paramedics report to corroborate what Zimmerman had told police. I think that needs to be released at this point. Did he sustain the injuries stated in the police report and according to Zimmerman? Or not?
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I doubt that we're going to see any reports "released" any time soon.
Things might be "leaked"; but until this is settled, one way or the other, you can forget about it.
 
General Buck Turgidson said:
I didn't say anything about racism or anything along those lines at all.




No, it isn't quite common unless you have a horseshit attorney who doesn't know his ass from his elbow. It is quite common for people to testify as to what they specifically observed that led them to believe that the person was drunk or on drugs, i.e. he was staggering, stunk of alcohol, bloodshot eyes, smelled like marijuana, was overly excited and the like. Also, the fact that the police came to check out the situation doesn't mean diddly squat. That's what they do when they get a call asking them to check something out.




I'm going off of what Zimmerman himself said about Martin in his call to the cops to report suspicious activity. In this call one what expect Zimmerman to provide the reasons why he thinks Martin was acting suspiciously. The reasons he gave fall well short of a reasonable basis to suspect Martin of anything more than walking down the street while black in a hoodie.
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Bullshit.
I've lived in my neighborhood for almost 30 years and there have been many times that I've called the Police over someone being in front of my house, that I don't recognize, and looking around.
 
christiefan915 said:
I don't see yurt doing anything except argue with the people who defend Martin. The righties keep saying we're not being fair to Zimmerman and that what we write about Martin is just supposition, but Martin can't speak for himself because he's dead. Somebody has to give voice to concerns about what really happened and we're sure as hell not getting the full and complete story from Zimmerman.

My problem with all this is the same as yours, that Zimmerman provoked the confrontation. This major detail is being shunted aside or ignored by the Zimmerman defenders. Martin didn't flip his t-shirt against the windshield or do anything to cause Zimmerman to leave his vehicle, and this isn't something I made up, it's in the 911 call. The entire incident was initiated and ended by Zimmerman, no matter what happened in between.

I have a teenaged son. I've taught him since babyhood what to do if he's approached by a stranger, and I believe this is what most parents do. We have "block parents" here and kids are taught to run to those houses if something occurs and they don't feel safe. If someone in a car or on foot is following my kids, or even the other kids in the neighborhood, they'd better have a damned good reason for doing so. We have a still-unsolved case here of a man in a white van following local kids and trying to lure them into the vehicle. At this point I have zero sympathy for Zimmerman and that's unlikely to change without some new, damning evidence coming out.
[h=1]Identifying the Owner of the White Van Stalking our Children in Pittsburgh[/h]
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I also don't see Zimmerman being logged in to "voice concerns" about what happened either.
 
Rune said:
There are two and only two known facts in this case.

1. Zimmerman followed and then acosted Martin.
2. Zimmerman Killed Martin.

If Zimmerman feared Martin, he had many oportunities to avoid him, but since he CHOSE to confront him, their is NO self defense claim possible.
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You're lying; because according to the 911 call and Zimmermans account, Martin was the one who accosted Zimmerman.
If Martin feared Zimmerman, he had many opportunities to avoid him; but since he CHOSE to confront him, there is no claim of him being the victim.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
You're lying; because according to the 911 call and Zimmermans account, Martin was the one who accosted Zimmerman.
If Martin feared Zimmerman, he had many opportunities to avoid him; but since he CHOSE to confront him, there is no claim of him being the victim.
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You are lying. Martin tried to escape, and when finaly cornered by Zim, confronted him.
 
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