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"This disposition to admire, and almost to worship, the rich and powerful, and to despise, or, at least neglect persons of poor and mean conditions... is... the great and most universal cause of the corruption of our moral sentiments." Adam Smith


As the rapacious republicans and the gutless democrats ruin the nation through debt and immoral tax policy, these books examine the consequences so obvious today in America. Politics has become, getting the 20 percent or so who vote to vote for you regardless of consequences to the nation's health.


"In 2005, 21.2 percent of US national income accrued to just 1 percent of earners. Contrast 1968, when the CEO of General Motors took home, in pay and benefits, about sixty-six times the amount paid to a typical GM worker. Today the CEO of Walmart earns nine hundred times the wages of his average employee. Indeed, the wealth of the Walmart founder's family that year estimated at about the same ($90 billion) as that of the bottom 40 percent of the US population: 120 million people." Tony Judt 'Ill Fares the Land'


"Why inequality is undemocratic and Un-American'

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"Ill fares the land, to hast'ning ill a prey,
Where wealth accumulates, and men decay;
Princes and Lords may flourish, or may fade:
A breath can make them, as a breath has made;
but a bold peasantry, their country's pride,
When once destroyed can never be supplied." Oliver Goldsmith
 
midcan5 said:
"This disposition to admire, and almost to worship, the rich and powerful, and to despise, or, at least neglect persons of poor and mean conditions... is... the great and most universal cause of the corruption of our moral sentiments." Adam Smith


As the rapacious republicans and the gutless democrats ruin the nation through debt and immoral tax policy, these books examine the consequences so obvious today in America. Politics has become, getting the 20 percent or so who vote to vote for you regardless of consequences to the nation's health.


"In 2005, 21.2 percent of US national income accrued to just 1 percent of earners. Contrast 1968, when the CEO of General Motors took home, in pay and benefits, about sixty-six times the amount paid to a typical GM worker. Today the CEO of Walmart earns nine hundred times the wages of his average employee. Indeed, the wealth of the Walmart founder's family that year estimated at about the same ($90 billion) as that of the bottom 40 percent of the US population: 120 million people." Tony Judt 'Ill Fares the Land'


"Why inequality is undemocratic and Un-American'

Amazon.com: The Spirit Level: Why Greater Equality Makes Societies Stronger (9781608193417): Kate Pickett, Richard Wilkinson: Books

Should be read by our so called national leaders Amazon.com: Ill Fares the Land (9781594202766): Tony Judt: Books


YouTube - Interview - Richard Wilkinson - Why Greater Equality Makes Societies Stronger



"Ill fares the land, to hast'ning ill a prey,
Where wealth accumulates, and men decay;
Princes and Lords may flourish, or may fade:
A breath can make them, as a breath has made;
but a bold peasantry, their country's pride,
When once destroyed can never be supplied." Oliver Goldsmith
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I read something the other day that was truly scary, even if all US citizens were taxed at 100% of income it would scarcely make a dent in the national debt.
 
tom prendergast said:
I read something the other day that was truly scary, even if all US citizens were taxed at 100% of income it would scarcely make a dent in the national debt.
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Tell me. If you paid 100% of your salary to your mortgage would it pay it all off in a day? However, it seems that in an economy that during a downturn puts out more GDP than the debt. (14.3 Trillion in 2009). It seems that if we were taxed at that level it certainly would "make a dent" in that debt.
 
Damocles said:
Tell me. If you paid 100% of your salary to your mortgage would it pay it all off in a day? However, it seems that in an economy that during a downturn puts out more GDP than the debt. (14.3 Trillion in 2009). It seems that if we were taxed at that level it certainly would "make a dent" in that debt.
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I was talking about income tax, so let's assume 100,000,000 people and an average income of $25,000. That about $2.5 trillion which after loan repayments, interest charges and the inexorable rise of the debt further hardly touch the sides.
 
tom prendergast said:
I was talking about income tax, so let's assume 100,000,000 people and an average income of $25,000. That about $2.5 trillion which after loan repayments, interest charges and the inexorable rise of the debt further hardly touch the sides.
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Actually what would happen is that we'd all stay home from work and the government wouldn't get a frigging dime.
 
Schadenfreude said:
no, it will limp on with lots of people dying when distribution fails :lies:
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This thought is over the head of those who think in formulas. What amazes me is the evidence that exists for anyone who thought to see the inequality in the world is not personal, it is structural. But the contented in America have lost their heart and soul.



"The materialistic and selfish quality of contemporary life is not inherent in the human condition. Much of what appears natural today dates from the 1980s: the obsession with wealth creation, the cult of privatization and the private sector, the growing disparities of rich and poor. And above all, the rhetoric which accompanies these: uncritical admiration for unfettered markets, disdain for the public sector, the delusion of endless growth." Tony Judt 'Ill Fares the Land'
 
midcan5 said:
"This disposition to admire, and almost to worship, the rich and powerful, and to despise, or, at least neglect persons of poor and mean conditions... is... the great and most universal cause of the corruption of our moral sentiments." Adam Smith

As the rapacious republicans and the gutless democrats ruin the nation through debt and immoral tax policy, these books examine the consequences so obvious today in America. Politics has become, getting the 20 percent or so who vote to vote for you regardless of consequences to the nation's health.

"In 2005, 21.2 percent of US national income accrued to just 1 percent of earners. Contrast 1968, when the CEO of General Motors took home, in pay and benefits, about sixty-six times the amount paid to a typical GM worker. Today the CEO of Walmart earns nine hundred times the wages of his average employee. Indeed, the wealth of the Walmart founder's family that year estimated at about the same ($90 billion) as that of the bottom 40 percent of the US population: 120 million people." Tony Judt 'Ill Fares the Land'

"Why inequality is undemocratic and Un-American'

Amazon.com: The Spirit Level: Why Greater Equality Makes Societies Stronger (9781608193417): Kate Pickett, Richard Wilkinson: Books

Should be read by our so called national leaders Amazon.com: Ill Fares the Land (9781594202766): Tony Judt: Books

YouTube - Interview - Richard Wilkinson - Why Greater Equality Makes Societies Stronger

"Ill fares the land, to hast'ning ill a prey,
Where wealth accumulates, and men decay;
Princes and Lords may flourish, or may fade:
A breath can make them, as a breath has made;
but a bold peasantry, their country's pride,
When once destroyed can never be supplied." Oliver Goldsmith
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Excellent post!!

"Compelling new evidence shows that large income inequalities within societies damages the social fabric and the quality of life for everyone." http://www.equalitytrust.org.uk/

"Great inequality is the scourge of modern societies. We provide the evidence on each of eleven different health and social problems: physical health, mental health, drug abuse, education, imprisonment, obesity, social mobility, trust and community life, violence, teenage births, and child well-being. For all eleven of these health and social problems, outcomes are very substantially worse in more unequal societies."
http://www.equalitytrust.org.uk/why/evidence

I'm sure most of us already sensed that but weren't consciously aware of it. We can only hope our "to hell with everyone else" comrades check it out.
 
Threedee said:
Yes, that's what the liberal would do, because without the God of Government there to direct its actions, the world will end.
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Do you believe if you chant that shit it will become truth? It is so devoid of intelligence. Why are conservatives only able to forward polarized arguments?
 
Threedee said:
Yes, that's what the liberal would do, because without the God of Government there to direct its actions, the world will end.
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As if. The liberals already gave up their guns. Ain't nobody shooting anybody in that scenario. They don't even let their kids own waterguns or make finger guns at school.
 
Damocles said:
As if. The liberals already gave up their guns. Ain't nobody shooting anybody in that scenario. They don't even let their kids own waterguns or make finger guns at school.
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Do you guys all live in closets? We raised children, have grandchildren, they played with guns and super heroes same as everyone. The difference may be they grew up. Guns are like opium or is that comfort blankets for you wingnuts. I realize insecurity is a common human trait but please get a new 'record', yours is broken and boring and a failure as so many senseless deaths demonstrate.



"To serve contentment, there were and are three basic requirements. One is the need to defend the general limitation on government as regards the economy; there must be a doctrine that offers a feasible presumption against government intervention...The second, more specific need is to find social justification for the untrammeled, uninhibited pursuit and possession of wealth....There is need for demonstration that the pursuit of wealth or even less spectacular well-being serves a serious, even grave social purpose....The third need is to justify a reduced sense of public responsibility for the poor. Those so situated, the members of the functional and socially immobilised underclass, must, in some very real way, be seen as the architects of their own fate. If not, they could be, however marginally, on the conscience of the comfortable." John Kenneth Galbraith,'The Culture of Contentment'
 
Damn Yankee said:
What a hypocrite. :)
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Consider if you go into a school yard filled with children, there is always a bit of name calling. Consider if you say something a wingnut disagrees with, they will always name call. Note the similarity. One eventually grows up, the other remains a wingnut.
 
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