It's Time to End All Drug Testing
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I am truly baffled how a country which is so obsessed about rights allows such a draconian regime to flourish.
Callinectes
Proud MAGA Semi-Facist
You're saying there should be no drug testing of airline pilots, school bus drivers, long-haul truckers, cops, fire fighters or the technicians that build and maintain the equipment these people use? And you're an atheist?
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Callinectes
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No, you didn't say that. Signalmancommie did. It's right there in the thread title, " It's Time to End All Drug Testing". I'll say one thing for him, he's got a lot of faith in his fellow man.
StormX
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From the article...
But I know from years of experience as a pilot and passenger that the people who work in the airline industry are so concerned about their safety, as well as the safety of their passengers, that they will self-regulate even without the threat of getting fired after a failed drug test.
Sorry but I don't put that kind of trust in a pilot, to self-regulate to make sure they are not under the influence of drugs while flying the plane.
The reason they have drug testing was due to one of the worst train disasters at the time that happened in 1987 in which 16 people were killed and 175 were injured, The Chase, Maryland train collision. In 1991, Congress passed the Omnibus Transportation Employee Testing Act, in part due to the Chase crash. According to the law, it “requires drug and alcohol testing of ‘safety-sensitive’ transportation employees in aviation, trucking, railroads, mass transit, pipelines, and other transportation industries.”
http://essex.patch.com/groups/politics-and-elections/p/chase-amtrak-crash-25-years-later
But I know from years of experience as a pilot and passenger that the people who work in the airline industry are so concerned about their safety, as well as the safety of their passengers, that they will self-regulate even without the threat of getting fired after a failed drug test.
Sorry but I don't put that kind of trust in a pilot, to self-regulate to make sure they are not under the influence of drugs while flying the plane.
The reason they have drug testing was due to one of the worst train disasters at the time that happened in 1987 in which 16 people were killed and 175 were injured, The Chase, Maryland train collision. In 1991, Congress passed the Omnibus Transportation Employee Testing Act, in part due to the Chase crash. According to the law, it “requires drug and alcohol testing of ‘safety-sensitive’ transportation employees in aviation, trucking, railroads, mass transit, pipelines, and other transportation industries.”
http://essex.patch.com/groups/politics-and-elections/p/chase-amtrak-crash-25-years-later
I'm sure kenCommie would love to a passenger on an aircraft with a druggie pilot. LMAO. He really is THAT stupid.
wanderingbear
Radical liberal
Yes .its past time to end this out right violation of our right to personal privacy.
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I wouldn't go so far as that, obviously certain occupations like airline pilots should be tested.
Taft2016
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None of this has anything to do with rights. They are conditions of employment. You don't like the conditions, you are not compelled to accept the job.
But if it was about rights, what about the rights of the employer? Doesn't an employer have the right to know if he's hiring a criminal, who may have a $200-a-day heroin habit? Doesn't an employer have the right to know this before allowing a stranger access to his property and livelihood? And it also needs to be pointed out that such an employee can negatively impact the job security of perfectly innocent co-workers.
As far as positions that directly affect public safety, like airline pilots and the police... self-regulation may be the dumbest thing I've ever heard of.
But if it was about rights, what about the rights of the employer? Doesn't an employer have the right to know if he's hiring a criminal, who may have a $200-a-day heroin habit? Doesn't an employer have the right to know this before allowing a stranger access to his property and livelihood? And it also needs to be pointed out that such an employee can negatively impact the job security of perfectly innocent co-workers.
As far as positions that directly affect public safety, like airline pilots and the police... self-regulation may be the dumbest thing I've ever heard of.
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The way I see it is that unless the person is engaged in an activity which could endanger lives, drugs testing is a fundamental violation of that person's rights.
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Many professional jobs in the UK require a medical as part of the hiring procedure. However I do not know any companies that force you to take regular drugs tests as a condition of employment.
Taft2016
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Don't want to take the test? Don't take it. Walk out the door and never come back. No rights violated.
Worried about your boss finding out you're a criminal? Easy peasy. Don't be a criminal.
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So where does that end? Are they entitled to find out about your sexual history and who you are friendly with as well? Anyway there is a difference between peeing in a cup to get a job and regular testing whilst in employment. My son works for the U.S. company Cisco in London but nobody is asked to do drug tests, why is that? If the brokers in the City had to take drug tests there would hardly be anyone left.
Taft2016
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And my sister ran human resources for a major pharma, where they produced opioids. Everybody working in the building was subjected to testing. Kind of makes sense, doesn't it?
Callinectes
Proud MAGA Semi-Facist
To me, this would include even fast food establishments. Those places can actually be pretty dangerous places to work if you don't pay attention or you're stoned.
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Should they be breathalysed, strip searched and a full cavity check be done as well?
You cant differentiate between what occupations are necessary to drug test and which are not.
Police, Fireman, Teachers, all first repsonders certainly cant be stoned. Airline pilots and anyone that has the responsibility assure people safety. Then theres any occupation that operates machinery that poses a risk to individuals. Truck Drivers, bus drivers, heavy equiptment operations.
I totally disagree drug testing should end, there should be drug testing and employers have the right to avoid mishaps because their employees are stoned, avoid lawsuits and injury to other employees.
Soon weed is going to be legalized and thats going to make it even more important to drug test individuals.
Ive always found it to be the case that the people that hated drug testing were worried the most about getting busted.
Police, Fireman, Teachers, all first repsonders certainly cant be stoned. Airline pilots and anyone that has the responsibility assure people safety. Then theres any occupation that operates machinery that poses a risk to individuals. Truck Drivers, bus drivers, heavy equiptment operations.
I totally disagree drug testing should end, there should be drug testing and employers have the right to avoid mishaps because their employees are stoned, avoid lawsuits and injury to other employees.
Soon weed is going to be legalized and thats going to make it even more important to drug test individuals.
Ive always found it to be the case that the people that hated drug testing were worried the most about getting busted.