SmarterthanYou
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I've gotten more help when I needed it from charity organizations and friends than I ever did the government, in any form..................
It's worth a try!
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I've gotten more help when I needed it from charity organizations and friends than I ever did the government, in any form..................
Taichiliberal
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Nope, it essentially avoids the OP message by immediately trying to demonize change to the status quo in a back handed way.
SOS resistance to true change, which is why we are were we are today as a society.
Matt Dillon
Semolina comes from wheat
Oh so feelygood! How do you propose to make that happen when Congress makes the laws?
Matt Dillon
Semolina comes from wheat
Last year at that church's home for unwed mothers.
I think they can only do 6-8 at a time.
Taichiliberal
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People often do. What do you think companies like ADT do?
https://security.adt.com/d/secureyo...ecurity&utm_tgtid=kwd-76691098796956:loc-4083
Other people, particular the poor rely on an age old friend
When your house gets robbed, what do the police do exactly? Is it that they come afterwards, take a report, tell you to contact your insurance company, then leave and you never hear from them again?
Not really....this is why there has always been the argument for better policing of neighborhoods.....poor folk or minorities either get scant policing or a brutal crackdown version or both. Middle and upper class neighborhoods get better policing and more humane treatment.
Cops can't do it all...and I've nothing against home security of any kind (guns, ADT, dogs, neighborhood watch).
Nothing is perfect...but the status quo just keeps getting worse.
Matt Dillon
Semolina comes from wheat
Show a current Hollywood elite that has ever done a damn thing good for humanity.
Names at random..Jennifer Lopez? Has she done some charity work?
George Clooney? Hmm?
How about uhm..Iggy Azalea? Hmm?
Has she broken off any poor people?
Something tells me no. These are not exactly the bestest people in the world.
I've met people that have contributed much, and they remain unknown as they want to be.
I doubt any of that is in Hollywood today.
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Taichiliberal
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Well, for starters you don't have Confederate flag waving yahoos physically invading to the Capitol to stop Congress from doing one of it's jobs because they don't like losing.
What you can and should do is ORGANIZE to vote in people who will do the right thing .... this starts in local elections, then to state reps and such, then to the federal level. The Tea Party was very good at this....only thing was their agenda wasn't exactly conducive to the welfare of the PEOPLE (that's everyone, even those of whom you disagree with at times). The GOP thought they could use the teabag vote them ignore them.....instead, that move morphed into giving us Cheeto Jesus and the parade of miscreants that follow him. In the meantime, learn to share with those who do not have...you don't need state or fed to do that....small town/neighborhood meetings will do just fine.
The OP isn't that hard....people are either just lazy, have given up, or want retribution instead of justice and fairness. That won't work, but the OP suggestion might if everyone just tries. Put it this way, it couldn't hurt.
Taichiliberal
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I'd say you're wrong to this extent.....when people organize, that may mean nobody goes to work until those in charge do better for everyone. History shows that economic boycotts are very effective (Ghandi, King).
True public servants are not adhere to the 2 Party system...which is why you have things like non-profit food collection & distribution companies.
And "overpaid" is a subjective term whether private or public...after all, money is a concept and NOT a product of nature.
Like I say, The OP isn't that hard....people are either just greedy or lazy, have given up, or want retribution instead of justice and fairness. That won't work, but the OP suggestion might if everyone just tries. Put it this way, it couldn't hurt.
Taichiliberal
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And that would be.... Maybe putting government on a very short leash and taking personal responsibility for their own welfare rather than relying on a paternalistic welfare state run by an uncaring and unseen bureaucratic entity?
Sorry, but that "by your own bootstraps" BS that right wing wonks love to bleat is a Joke....as the very people who talk such drivel are alive due to the very system they claim to be against.....or did you think that going to any store in America and picking up a foodstuff with a reasonable assumption that it's not spoiled or contaminated was just by happen stance of individualism? Puh-leeze! Or that FACT that you are immune to many diseases due to national health mandates (which is now rightfully being challenged regarding availability, content and frequency)?
If YOU and your friends and relatives are actively involved in local, federal and social care taking of each other to just the minimal requirement, then things will impove. It'll take hard work and time, but nothing worth while is easy.
Taichiliberal
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Depends the kind of charity and how is doing it. Case in point, my aunt's church in North Carolina has been running clothing and soup kitchens for some time now....a literal God send during times of Reaganomics.
Matt Dillon
Semolina comes from wheat
Taichiliberal
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Think, you fool, THINK. You said gov't is the problem....who the hell do you think make up gov't? PEOPLE LIKE YOU AND ME. It starts at the local level and requires people to stay involved. And you have to right by everyone....even those of whom you disgree with. Otherwise, you get the Tea Party and a GOP that elected and genuflects to the Cheeto Jeezus.
Matt Dillon
Semolina comes from wheat
This is the case for vigilante neighborhood justice.
The law rarely delivers justice, but neighborhood committees can.
I'm gonna tell you right now, I am happy with how they did in my old neighborhood.
They sent 2 rapists to the sharks that were bad rapists the law let slip away.
They're all dead now, so IDGAF, they did it right, and they made justice happen. They killed them, and those rapists deserved to die.
One raped a 14 year old girl I was sweet on. She thought he was me and opened her window and he broke the screen and went into her room and raped her and she was a virgin. He escaped justice from the law somehow, after ruining her life. They got him. The other was a similar dude years later. Known rapist, the law let him go back into our neighborhood. That cannot be tolerated. If you're of a like mind as me...anywhere. The next one abused a couple hookers. Well, guess what? They're still women from the neighborhood that people care about. Die! And he did die, and there's no record of that anywhere, but he deserved it so badly.
I was way young, but I remember how it was. The committee took them boys out and removed them from the neighborhood, and nobody was mad about it to say the least.
There's a difference between real justice and the law.
The law may fail, but justice is true.
I knew better than to get on the wrong side of them boys. Police or not, justice was going to be served.
I like it like that, because the law fails so badly.
This is just me, but I prefer justice over the law.
People that can't even call the law still need justice in this world.
That's why I do appreciate my growing-up justice committee people from my neighborhood.
I can't think of when they did bad.
Maybe something gross, but hey, deviant people gotta go.
I do not disagree with anything they ever did, ever.
Pretty sure they hashed it all out before taking action. You have to make sure things are right.
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T. A. Gardner
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Prove the change is for the good. That's the question I raised. Change for the sake of change doesn't necessarily result in improvement in whatever. It can be detrimental. Your argument is change is necessary but you never show that the change is going to improve things and how that will happen.
Taichiliberal
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Fuck you, you fucking idiot!
And there you have it, dear readers. Another intellectually impotent right wing clod who can't handle the truth, much less have the guts for real change that would benefit him and others. Nope, ol Matty just wants to keep things as they are...being an armchair insurrectionist railing against the world for his personal problems. Let's watch Matty laugh himself silly at his own cowardice and stupidity.
T. A. Gardner
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Try not using a reductio ad absurdum fallacy as your argument.
Taichiliberal
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1. No, that's making things worse....like the cretins who killed Arbery and Martin. True neighborhood watches work with the cops, and are very effective in crime prevention or stopping.
2. Just look at the number of prisons in the USA...the number of incarcerations....states revitalizing the death penalty. The hitch is making sure that the people jailed or executed are the right ones.
3. I got no problem with the death penalty for rapists....but good luck getting majority state consensus on that. The alternatives in the past have been decade long sentences, chemical castration. Yep, sometimes the system doesn't work and people take the law into their own hands. My grandma told me once of a creep that raped the wrong little girl who came from a tight (and large) family. That guy vanished, the cops couldn't find him and no one in the neighborhood gave up anyone. The problem is if people get the wrong guy, it's murder. There was a case in the 1990's about a guy in Conn. I believe, who did 15 years for a rape before the accuser had a moment of conscience and recanted her identification, saying she had to nail someone to cover up her sexual activity to family and community. That guy had always maintained his innocence. See my point?
Taichiliberal
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Your first sentence is amazing.....you're professing that as a society learning to share and be nice to each other is a bad thing? How on God's green earth can you logically prove such? My aunt's church has run a clothing and food charity for years....people who got back on their feet and had some skills helped out others during Hurrican Irene and Sandy. In NYC you have an organization that collects food from restaurants at the end of the day and distributes it to those in need. How is that a bad thing?
the status quo works for only a relative few....mostly through inheritence and nepotism. The rest hustle under the delusion of the "by your bootstraps", which historically worked mostly for those of the right color or ethnicity....and if in general for those far and few in between. then we have people bitching about welfare, socialism, yada, yada, yada. Is that what you are defending?
Matt Dillon
Semolina comes from wheat
I don't come from where morons like you live, dumbass.
We get it done 'round heanh.
Something tells me you would not be very welcome or last for very long.