It is. The fact you have poor grammar and do not know what grammar is makes my point. Are all right wingers illiterate morons? Yes.
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Litmus
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Are spelling, punctuation and capitalization part of grammar?
Are spelling, punctuation and capitalization part of grammar?
Before I start, I know this question already exists: Do capitalization and punctuation fall under the category of grammar? However, I would like to follow-up on it. This definition from Oxford On...
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no. capitalization is not grammar.
No. Spelling, punctuation, and capitalization are all part of writing. Writing is not language -- it's the representation of language, which is spoken. In real (i.e, spoken) language there is no spelling, no punctuation, and no capitalization. But there is grammar; the OED definition is correct, because it refers to spoken language.. English grammar applies to the language, whether it's written or spoken; but spelling, punctuation, and capitalization are strictly for writing. Just modern technology, not grammar.
– John Lawler
May 10, 2017 at 1:49
Amazing you prefer to use poor grammar.Are spelling, punctuation and capitalization part of grammar?
Are spelling, punctuation and capitalization part of grammar?
Before I start, I know this question already exists: Do capitalization and punctuation fall under the category of grammar? However, I would like to follow-up on it. This definition from Oxford On...
no. capitalization is not grammar.
No. Spelling, punctuation, and capitalization are all part of writing. Writing is not language -- it's the representation of language, which is spoken. In real (i.e, spoken) language there is no spelling, no punctuation, and no capitalization. But there is grammar; the OED definition is correct, because it refers to spoken language.. English grammar applies to the language, whether it's written or spoken; but spelling, punctuation, and capitalization are strictly for writing. Just modern technology, not grammar.
– John Lawler
May 10, 2017 at 1:49
Litmus
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I do reject capitalization. but grammar is more important.
if you were smart you could learn to understand the difference.
sucks for you. <-- sentence fragment
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Margot
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WTF is Melchizedek doing here!
Guno צְבִי
We fight, We win, Am Yisrael Chai
I do understand that the Christian perspective on Judaism is that it’s legalistic and judgemental, and where Jesus went and got crucified so y’all wouldn’t have to, the theory you’ve been taught is that Jews still have to be punished for our sins, since our messiah isn’t available to do it for us.
The problems with that view are twofold. The first is that the Christian view on what a messiah is differs markedly from a Jewish one. To the extent that Jews believe in the prospect of a literal, human messiah, at all—as some do—he isn’t someone who gets punished for the things you do wrong. He’s a military and political leader who keeps Jews from getting murdered so much, and ushers in an extended—not necessarily eternal—reign of peace. Jesus fails on literally all of those counts, so he’s clearly not our guy.
Jews don’t believe other people can absorb the burden of our wrongdoing for us. Messiahs or otherwise. Our mistakes are our mistakes, and it’s our job to deal with them.
The Jewish God is not a torturer, and doesn’t threaten people into good behavior with the threat of eternal punishment. More like an attentive kindergarten teacher—if you make a mess, clean it up. If you’re mean to someone, say you’re sorry, and don’t do it again. If you were really mean, and you feel really guilty, do all of that, and then maybe go to therapy and donate some money or time to a charity on their behalf. You don’t have to be punished; you just have to do your best to make it right, and say you’re sorry—and when your bad behavior has done some damage, or become habitual, do the personal work to keep from doing it over and over again.
Jewish “punishment” for being bad amounts to: try harder to be good.
The problems with that view are twofold. The first is that the Christian view on what a messiah is differs markedly from a Jewish one. To the extent that Jews believe in the prospect of a literal, human messiah, at all—as some do—he isn’t someone who gets punished for the things you do wrong. He’s a military and political leader who keeps Jews from getting murdered so much, and ushers in an extended—not necessarily eternal—reign of peace. Jesus fails on literally all of those counts, so he’s clearly not our guy.
Jews don’t believe other people can absorb the burden of our wrongdoing for us. Messiahs or otherwise. Our mistakes are our mistakes, and it’s our job to deal with them.
The Jewish God is not a torturer, and doesn’t threaten people into good behavior with the threat of eternal punishment. More like an attentive kindergarten teacher—if you make a mess, clean it up. If you’re mean to someone, say you’re sorry, and don’t do it again. If you were really mean, and you feel really guilty, do all of that, and then maybe go to therapy and donate some money or time to a charity on their behalf. You don’t have to be punished; you just have to do your best to make it right, and say you’re sorry—and when your bad behavior has done some damage, or become habitual, do the personal work to keep from doing it over and over again.
Jewish “punishment” for being bad amounts to: try harder to be good.
Guno צְבִי
We fight, We win, Am Yisrael Chai
For the past two thousand years, Christians have been trying to convert Jews. Hundreds of millions of dollars are spent on this effort -- "Jews for Jesus," and "Chosen Peoples Ministry" are just two dedicated to this goal. Those organizations will tell less educated Jews (and non-Jews) that you can be Jewish and "follow Jesus." They reason that "Jesus was a Jew, and his followers were Jews, so to follow Jesus is a very "Jewish" thing to do."
Nothing could be further from the truth.
Just because a Jew does something does not make it Jewish (or right). Consider all those Jews in the bible (which Jews call the T'nach) who worshiped false gods like Moloch and Ba'al. Did the fact that they were Jews make it acceptable to the prophets Isaiah and Jeremiah?
This is the key.
No one at Mount Sinai ever heard of Jesus.
No one at Mount Sinai was told to pray to or through Jesus to "get" to G-d.
We are warned time and again that if someone entices a Jew to any form of worship that we were unfamiliar with at Mount Sinai it is FALSE.
Just because someone is a Jew doesn't make what they do correct. Thus if Paul or any other Jew says something counter to what G-d Himself told us (all of us) at Sinai -- it is false.
A Jew cannot believe in Jesus and remain Jewish.
This website is dedicated to exploding the "Judaeo-Christian Myth." Many people seem to think that the only difference between Judaism and Christianity is that Christians believe Jesus was the messiah and Jews don't. While that is a difference, it is only one and not as major as one might think. What are the differences? This website is dedicated to explaining them.
It must be a little worrisome for the average Christian (if he ever thinks about Jews at all) to ask himself "since Jesus was a Jew, and he taught and preached to Jews why didn't all the Jews become Christians?"
How can missionaries justify their belief in Jesus as the "Jewish messiah" when Jews don't accept him as such?
Some will say "well, Jews are blind." This may satisfy some, but most would admit that Jews, though a very small minority, are a pretty smart people. Even world renowned atheist Richard Dawkins has said he is bewildered at the disproportionate amount of Nobel prizes won by Jews. Between 1901 and 2013, the Nobel Prize has been awarded to approximately 855 laureates. At least 193 (22%) of them have been Jewish even though the global Jewish population is 0.02%!
So, no we're not stupid people.
Why would G-d "blind" the very people He calls His first born son? (Sh'mot / Exodus 4:22), his beloved? Why would G-d tell us Torah and our covenant with Him is eternal -- only to "blind" us to the "truth" that it was all a joke, we were just waiting for Jesus to show up?
he problem for the missionary (where the Jew is concerned) is whether all those promises by G-d were lies -- or are they mistaken and Jews are not blind. . . they were lied to by the Christian bible and their teachers?
Jews believe in G-d.
Jews believe that G-d does not lie.
Jews believe that G-d is not a man and He does not change His mind. (Bamidbar / Numbers 23:19). Thus when He says that Torah is eternal, His promises to the Jews are eternal He is not lying.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
Just because a Jew does something does not make it Jewish (or right). Consider all those Jews in the bible (which Jews call the T'nach) who worshiped false gods like Moloch and Ba'al. Did the fact that they were Jews make it acceptable to the prophets Isaiah and Jeremiah?
This is the key.
No one at Mount Sinai ever heard of Jesus.
No one at Mount Sinai was told to pray to or through Jesus to "get" to G-d.
We are warned time and again that if someone entices a Jew to any form of worship that we were unfamiliar with at Mount Sinai it is FALSE.
Just because someone is a Jew doesn't make what they do correct. Thus if Paul or any other Jew says something counter to what G-d Himself told us (all of us) at Sinai -- it is false.
A Jew cannot believe in Jesus and remain Jewish.
This website is dedicated to exploding the "Judaeo-Christian Myth." Many people seem to think that the only difference between Judaism and Christianity is that Christians believe Jesus was the messiah and Jews don't. While that is a difference, it is only one and not as major as one might think. What are the differences? This website is dedicated to explaining them.
It must be a little worrisome for the average Christian (if he ever thinks about Jews at all) to ask himself "since Jesus was a Jew, and he taught and preached to Jews why didn't all the Jews become Christians?"
How can missionaries justify their belief in Jesus as the "Jewish messiah" when Jews don't accept him as such?
Some will say "well, Jews are blind." This may satisfy some, but most would admit that Jews, though a very small minority, are a pretty smart people. Even world renowned atheist Richard Dawkins has said he is bewildered at the disproportionate amount of Nobel prizes won by Jews. Between 1901 and 2013, the Nobel Prize has been awarded to approximately 855 laureates. At least 193 (22%) of them have been Jewish even though the global Jewish population is 0.02%!
So, no we're not stupid people.
Why would G-d "blind" the very people He calls His first born son? (Sh'mot / Exodus 4:22), his beloved? Why would G-d tell us Torah and our covenant with Him is eternal -- only to "blind" us to the "truth" that it was all a joke, we were just waiting for Jesus to show up?
he problem for the missionary (where the Jew is concerned) is whether all those promises by G-d were lies -- or are they mistaken and Jews are not blind. . . they were lied to by the Christian bible and their teachers?
Jews believe in G-d.
Jews believe that G-d does not lie.
Jews believe that G-d is not a man and He does not change His mind. (Bamidbar / Numbers 23:19). Thus when He says that Torah is eternal, His promises to the Jews are eternal He is not lying.
Litmus
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Not true.
Your sins are no worse than anyone else.
See, you still feel special in your sinning.
It's actually not about you.