I am working on my over optimism problem.
Jimmy Kimmel's Political Hackery : He isn't just a comedian
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Scott
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I think you're suggesting that I too have an over optimism problem
. In this case, though, I definitely believe that a lot of people are overly pessimistic about others' motivations. I really do believe that most people -want- to see and speak the truth. It's just that it's not always so easy to do so.Exactly.I think you're suggesting that I too have an over optimism problem
It is way later than you think.
Scott
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If you're suggesting that the west is in for a hard fall, sure. Honestly, it seems to be following the same plot line of a sci fi tv series I like a fair amount called Foundation, itself based on a series of books from Isaac Asimov with the same name. As with the plot of said series, I don't doubt the fall, but I -do- believe that we can at least soften the blow.
I am suggesting that you travel with rose colored glasses.
We could....but we wont.....the people suck too much now.
Scott
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And I'm suggesting that your shades are a tad too dark
.Hope springs eternal. There's a saying you may have heard of- hope for the best, but prepare for the worst. I think we frequently can't prepare for the worst, but I also think we frequently can't imagine the best either. I also think it's really hard to know all the things that the future will bring. All of this is to say that I think hope has good chances, especially if one at least tries to prepare for the pretty bad.
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I am not kidding when i say Democrats need to shut up and embrace this.
The scourge of growing and unfunny "comedians" who are bad politicians on Fox and right wing media was being very protected by the right by screaming and crying about free speech.
We need a very active government with the ability to police this and use the power of the FTC to be able to threaten and shut down the networks who will not silence.
This is a positive overall as there are far, FAR more on the right.
Matt Dillon
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NOW?! They were doing that in 2020, dumbass. Banning from FB and Twitter, censoring content on media and the internet, Google search priority downgrading, all kinds of crap.
Matt Dillon
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Scott
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After listening to Kimmel's remark on Kirk, I don't think it was deserving of having the FCC chair threaten Disney over it. He's said other things that I think were far worse where Administration heavy weight batted and eye, but it may be that most if not all of those incidences were during the Biden administration, which was far more aligned with Kimmel's views.
In any case, are you suggesting that the Trump Administration will shut down prominent comedians who are also political hacks on the right?
Scott
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Scott
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Ah yes! Show the world your inner fascist! Good job!
I think that's going too far. I think QP -wants- to do the right thing. I definitely believe that there are some instances where shutting down hate speech, when defined as speech that inspires others to wrongful violence, isn't a good thing and should be shut down. But I also believe that people should be -very- careful as to defining said speech- the road to dictatorship can be paved with good intentions.
Matt Dillon
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I'm from 'Murica! Ain't no such thing as "Hate Speech".
There is purposely inciting violence, and that should be prosecuted.
Like Dutch saying all Trumpers should face something akin to Hitler's Final Solution.
Even then, when the motherfucker's so kookookadoodle, what does it matter?
Bring back Mental Hospitals and mass shootings drop by 90%.
Scott
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That's what I'm getting at, though I'm actually splitting hairs even here. American revolutionaries incited violence, but I'd argue that it was the -right- kind. Hitler also incited violence, which I believe was generally if not exclusively the wrong kind.
Ukraine is NOT responsible for being invaded by Russia. Period.I certainly haven't seen any evidence that he told Tucker anything that he didn't himself believe.
The war in Ukraine started long before Russia's military operation began in 2022. While the exact point in time where it started can be hard to pinpoint, I think Euromaidan would be where things got into high gear. If you haven't heard of the event, Wikipedia has a page on it here:
Euromaidan - Wikipedia
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That page has some distinct falsehoods, but the one that I think is most egregious is a little bit of text concerning what happened on February 20th, 2014. The article doesn't even mention that individual date, instead lumping in the dates between February 18th to 20th as if there was nothing major to distinguish them. Here's the text:
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February 2014: Revolution
Main article: Revolution of Dignity
The deadliest clashes were on 18–20 February, which saw the most severe violence in Ukraine since it regained independence. Thousands of protesters advanced towards parliament, led by activists with shields and helmets, and were fired on by the Berkut and police snipers. Almost 100 were killed.
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This little snippet of text doesn't say a word on the fact that there is no solid evidence that the government was involved in the killings that day and a lot of evidence that it was actually a faction of the Ukrainian protesters themselves that were the culprits. An article on Global Research gets into a documentary that uncovers this truth. It can be seen here:
The Hidden Truth About Ukraine, Kiev Euromaidan Snipers Kill Demonstrators. Italian Documentary Bombshell Evidence - Global Research
The interviews with three snipers of Georgian nationality, conducted by the Italian journalist Gian Micalessin and aired as a breathtaking documentary on Milan-based Canale 5 (Matrix program) have not paved their way to the international mainstream media.www.globalresearch.ca
The article was published way back in 2017 and the youtube videos it now links to says it were published 7 years ago, but to date, few people know of it. Quoting a bit of the article below:
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The interviews with three snipers of Georgian nationality, conducted by the Italian journalist Gian Micalessin and aired as a breathtaking documentary on Milan-based Canale 5 (Matrix program) last week, still have not paved its way to the international mainstream media. That is hardly surprising taking into account the bombshell evidence against the real perpetrators and organizers of the 2014 coup d’etat in Kiev, generally known as the “revolution of dignity“.
The documentary features Alexander Revazishvili, Koba Nergadze and Zalogi Kvaratskhelia, Georgian military officers who were recruited to carry out a “special mission” in Kiev by Mamuka Mamulashvili, a close aid of Mikhail Saakashvili’s former defense minister Bacho Akhalaia. They claim that on Jan 15, 2014 they landed in Kiev equipped with fake documents and were transferred to Maidan. Having received 1000 USD each one and being promised to be paid 5000 USD after the “job is done”, they were tasked to prepare sniper positions inside the buildings of Hotel Ukraine and Conservatory, dominant over the Maidan Square.
The facts they exposed afterwards, were shocking. Along with other snipers (some of them were Lithuanians) they were put under command of an American military operative Brian Christopher Boyenger (his Facebook page is here). The coordinating team also included Mamulashvili and infamous Segrey Pashinsky, who was detained by protesters on Feb 18, 2017 with a sniper rifle in the boot of his car and later headed the first post-Maidan interim president administration of Ukraine. The weapons came on stage on February 18 and were distributed to the various Georgian and Lithuanian groups. “There were three or four weapons in each bag, there were Makarov guns, AKM guns, rifles, and a lot of cartridges.” – witnesses Nergadze.
The following day, Mamulashvili and Pashinsky explained to snipers that they should shoot at the square and sow chaos. “When Mamulashvili arrived, I also asked him. Things are getting complicated, we have to start shooting – he replied that we cannot go to presidential elections. “But who to shoot?“ I asked. He replied that who and where it did not matter, you had to shoot somewhere so much to sow chaos.”
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2 things to note:
1- I was able to see the facebook page of American military operative Christopher Boyenger before it was taken down. He's mentioned elsewhere, such as the following article:
2- The date of Segrey's detainment had to be in 2014, not 2017. The link in the article is now dead, but there's another article on Sergey being caught with a sniper rifle here:
Sergey Pashinsky. Thief, raider, fraudster and people's deputy
Sergey Pashinsky On December 18, it became known that MP Sergei Pashinsky became a defendant in another criminal investigation. According to the Nationalruscrime.com
It was only -after- Euromaidan ran its course, with the elected Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych fleeing for his life to Russia, that Russia decided to accept the results of a Crimean referendum to return its territory to the Russian federation. There's a good article on what happened there as well, by the only western journalist I know who wrote an article on the subject after visiting Crimea after this event:
Return to Russia: Crimeans Tell the Real Story of the 2014 Referendum and Their Lives Since
Eva Bartlett traveled to Crimea to see how people have fared since their country reunited with Russia and what the referendum was really likewww.mintpressnews.com
I'm only posting his actual quotes. I'm not creating a "caricature", I'm putting his actual WORDS on display. To claim that black people in America were better off 80 years ago is INSANE. Post all your flowery, long-winded posts as much as you want. Kirk was a demon.
RFK Jr. is a kook and a heroin addict. He has no medical training and has no business being near the dept of HHS.
Matt Dillon
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2 feces references. I get your point. Sorry, I worked at a place for years where every sentence had to have at least 2 "fucks" in it and any extras were for emphasis. 4 is considered great.I agree with you, just wish you'd use more civil language with your ideological
Ex: "Them stupid motherfuckers can fuck the fuck off back to whatever fucking cesspool they crawled out of."
^ Would be considered gold out there.
Matt Dillon
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The problem is that you're omitting many of his words like a dishonest shitbag. Or maybe you're not smart enough to realize that's what you're parroting that they did for you, but whatever.
Either way you are advancing evil. Whether by stupidity, or willfully doing so of your own volition.
You have no idea what you're talking about. I posted his words in FULL CONTEXT shit-stain. Educate yourself before you go shooting off your fat mouth!The problem is that you're omitting many of his words like a dishonest shitbag. Or maybe you're not smart enough to realize that's what you're parroting, but whatever.