Joe Biden cashed $200,000 check from brother James’ business deal

[QP!]

Meanwhile this is what the NYT says about Trump's "secret" bank account.
“No deals, transactions or other business activities ever materialized and, since 2015, the office has remained inactive,” Mr. Garten said. “Though the bank account remains open, it has never been used for any other purpose.”

https://www.nytimes.com/subscriptio...trump-taxes-china.html&login=ml&auth=login-ml

FALSE.

That is what TRUMPS LAWYER said, and the NYT reported he said.

So if you are creating a standard that ONLY Hunter Bidens lawyers statement COUNT as all the proof we need, great. We can go with that.

What we know is
- that Trump CONCEALED this account and we only found out about it because he was FORCED to disclose it.
- Trump paid more in taxes to China than he paid to America
- W3e are not going to get any data of what Trump was involved in, in China, from their end unless China wants us to know

 

[QP!]

Yes

It was a good thing that Joe acted on behalf of the US gov't, Senate lead House Committee,the IMF and EU who all AGREED that Ukraine prosecutor was corrupt and needed to go.

Joe did this despite the FACTS that doing so would get rid of the prosecutor protecting Burisma and others.

 

[Lionfish]

The White House cited executive privilege in withholding hundreds of emails relating to Hunter Biden’s business dealings and then-Vice President Joe Biden requested by America First Legal (AFL), according to records requests returned to the legal firm.

AFL released three batches of emails Wednesday that the National Archives provided in response to its August 2022 records request, which included over 1,000 emails between Hunter Biden’s consulting firm Rosemont Seneca and the Office of Vice President. Among others withheld by the White House, 200 emails were kept back because they “would disclose confidential advice between the President and his advisors, or between such advisors,” according to letters from the National Archives.

President Joe Biden has previously claimed that he never spoke with his son about his business dealings overseas.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1696985525972877334

 

[Mr.Badguy]

200k is 10% of...........

It's one ten thousandth (.0001) of 2 billion. You know, like what Jared got paid by the Saudis.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

It doesn't matter what Trump did or didn't do here. That whole argument, by anyone, is simply a tu quoque. It's whataboutism in the form of a red herring. If Trump did quid pro quo deals and took bribes he should be tried for it just as Joke Bribem should, because it's pretty damn clear he was taking bribes and doing quid pro quo deals, not to mention involved in tax evasion, money laundering, and a whole raft of other major ongoing criminal, corrupt, and unethical activities while Vice President, probably as a Senator, and potentially still doing this shit as President.

 

[ExpressLane]

It doesn't matter what Trump did or didn't do here. That whole argument, by anyone, is simply a tu quoque. It's whataboutism in the form of a red herring. If Trump did quid pro quo deals and took bribes he should be tried for it just as Joke Bribem should, because it's pretty damn clear he was taking bribes and doing quid pro quo deals, not to mention involved in tax evasion, money laundering, and a whole raft of other major ongoing criminal, corrupt, and unethical activities while Vice President, probably as a Senator, and potentially still doing this shit as President.

He is undoubtedly obstructing justice as pResident.

 

[ExpressLane]

It's one ten thousandth (.0001) of 2 billion. You know, like what Jared got paid by the Saudis.

BUT JAROD!!! Jarod had a legit business Bagman and Joe didn't.

 

[ExpressLane]

The White House cited executive privilege in withholding hundreds of emails relating to Hunter Biden’s business dealings and then-Vice President Joe Biden requested by America First Legal (AFL), according to records requests returned to the legal firm.

AFL released three batches of emails Wednesday that the National Archives provided in response to its August 2022 records request, which included over 1,000 emails between Hunter Biden’s consulting firm Rosemont Seneca and the Office of Vice President. Among others withheld by the White House, 200 emails were kept back because they “would disclose confidential advice between the President and his advisors, or between such advisors,” according to letters from the National Archives.

President Joe Biden has previously claimed that he never spoke with his son about his business dealings overseas.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1696985525972877334

Joe is obsessed with the weather

 

[domer76]

And Hunter did EXACTLY that. Unfortunately what Hunter wanted to do was sell access to Joe Biden.

Yes, that’s EXACTLY what Hunter was telling his backers. He was trying to sell himself with that Biden last name. Joe’s brother, too. It seemed to have worked. But it’s not a crime.

 

[QP!]

It doesn't matter what Trump did or didn't do here. That whole argument, by anyone, is simply a tu quoque. It's whataboutism in the form of a red herring. If Trump did quid pro quo deals and took bribes he should be tried for it just as Joke Bribem should, because it's pretty damn clear he was taking bribes and doing quid pro quo deals, not to mention involved in tax evasion, money laundering, and a whole raft of other major ongoing criminal, corrupt, and unethical activities while Vice President, probably as a Senator, and potentially still doing this shit as President.

If it is "pretty damn clear" why do you assume James Comer and Jim Jordan and others ALWAYS admit on news interviews, even when pushed by friendly right wing media that they have ZERO evidence yet, and are just 'working on it'.

Why do you think so many Republicans in the House that said they would have VOTED for the Impeachment hearing, REFUSED saying 'we have not seen a shred of evidence yet', which is why McCarthy was FORCED to start the Impeachment hearing without a vote, knowing it would be voted down, because he had made the promise prior, that a vote would take place before any such hearing?


What is the derp conspiracy theory on why the leaders of the committees, COmer and Jordan are lying and why they are HIDING any evidence from the back benchers in their own party?

Please cite any proof you have seen.

 

[ExpressLane]

Yes, that’s EXACTLY what Hunter was telling his backers. He was trying to sell himself with that Biden last name. Joe’s brother, too. It seemed to have worked. But it’s not a crime.

What political power did Hunter have?

 

[ExpressLane]

Yes

It was a good thing that Joe acted on behalf of the US gov't, Senate lead House Committee,the IMF and EU who all AGREED that Ukraine prosecutor was corrupt and needed to go.

Joe did this despite the FACTS that doing so would get rid of the prosecutor protecting Burisma and others.

The European Commission said Shokin was doing a good job and Ukraine should get the billion.

Despite Biden’s claim, Europeans WEREN’T trying to oust Ukraine prosecutor targeting Hunter’s firm

The European Commission praised Ukraine’s Prosecutor-General Viktor Shokin for his efforts to fight corruption in a December 2015 progress report published nine days after then-VP Joe Biden demanded his ouster.

“I congratulate the Ukrainian leadership on the progress made towards completing the reform process which will bring important benefits to the citizens of Ukraine in the future,” then-EU Commissioner Dimitris Avramopoulos said. “The hard work towards achieving this significant goal has paid off. Now it is important to keep upholding all the standards.”

Obama administration signed off on $1B for Ukraine Biden threatened to hold back: report

Blinkin also praised Shokin in 2015. https://grabien.com/story.php?id=439565

 

[domer76]

What political power did Hunter have?

Derp

 

[QP!]

What political power did Hunter have?

the power of proximity.

Are you really so dumb that you do not know that all thru history, distant and recent, that is pretty much automatic that when one person achieves high levels of power (POTUS, Governor, etc) that INSTANTLY family members, ex business associates, friends CAN and WILL get all sorts of Jobs, Board Positions, Lobbying positions, etc that were not available to them the day prior.

Are you so stupid that this is new to you, despite it being the case with numerous POTUS and Governors in your life time?


Are you so stupid you do not know IT IS PERFECTLY LEGAL, for them and Hunter to take those jobs, and for others to pay them for whatever HOPED FOR increased access they think it will give them to Branding, Media access, Political access or other?


There IS ZERO illegal in this and there is no way possible to make it illegal. the only crime would be if the politician did something they should not in dealing with that person, ... that thing there has been ZERO proof of Joe doing, despite 5+ years of forensic level looking.

 

[Mr.Badguy]

BUT JAROD!!! Jarod had a legit business Bagman and Joe didn't.

LMAO tell me all about Jared's "legit" business. He covered for Khashoggi getting killed, then the Saudis threw 2 bil at him as soon as he stepped out of the office handed to him by his wife's daddy. And that's AGAINST the urging of the Saudi investment authority because of Jared's lack of experience. Mnuchin had plenty of investment experience before leaving office and he only got half of what Jared got.

So here you have: a direct connection working with a foreign power (not just a company), in an office given to him by his father in law (Hunter never got a free job from Joe), and an insanely large amount of money. B-b-but someone in Joe's family gave him some money once upon a time. Please, families do that shit all the time. Unless it can be somehow proven to be more than just a brother paying back a loan, you've got bupkis.

 

[Nordberg]

the power of proximity.

Are you really so dumb that you do not know that all thru history, distant and recent, that is pretty much automatic that when one person achieves high levels of power (POTUS, Governor, etc) that INSTANTLY family members, ex business associates, friends CAN and WILL get all sorts of Jobs, Board Positions, Lobbying positions, etc that were not available to them the day prior.

Are you so stupid that this is new to you, despite it being the case with numerous POTUS and Governors in your life time?


Are you so stupid you do not know IT IS PERFECTLY LEGAL, for them and Hunter to take those jobs, and for others to pay them for whatever HOPED FOR increased access they think it will give them to Branding, Media access, Political access or other?


There IS ZERO illegal in this and there is no way possible to make it illegal. the only crime would be if the politician did something they should not in dealing with that person, ... that thing there has been ZERO proof of Joe doing, despite 5+ years of forensic level looking.

It is normal. Trump's family prospered bigly from Trump's presidency. If you do not see bosses in industry getting jobs they do not qualify, it is because you are not observant. Politicians families are getting great positions, many in lobbying. That is how capitalism works.
If the right thinks Joe is corrupt, all they have to do is take him and his family to court and prove it. I am sure Judge Canon can clear her cases for one more. The right has made serious claims for 5 years and so far nothing has been proven and nobody has been charged. No proof is needed if you are a believer.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Yes, that’s EXACTLY what Hunter was telling his backers. He was trying to sell himself with that Biden last name. Joe’s brother, too. It seemed to have worked. But it’s not a crime.

If Joe Biden weren't in politics and (variously) a Senator, VP, or President, would any of those companies, individuals, etc., have given a drug addled, cashiered ex-officer, and /or mediocre intellect with no experience in the field(s) of knowledge or business so much as a fucking nickel?

The answer is clearly NO! Bagman and Joke's brother were selling 'The Big Guy' and his political connections. People were paying for access. Bagman and Jim Biden on their own were worthless to the people giving them money.

 

[Mr.Badguy]

If Joe Biden weren't in politics and (variously) a Senator, VP, or President, would any of those companies, individuals, etc., have given a drug addled, cashiered ex-officer, and /or mediocre intellect with no experience in the field(s) of knowledge or business so much as a fucking nickel?

The answer is clearly NO! Bagman and Joke's brother were selling 'The Big Guy' and his political connections. People were paying for access. Bagman and Jim Biden on their own were worthless to the people giving them money.

It's called nepotism, welcome to the real world. You think anyone would give a rats fuck about Trump's two retarded adult sons if it weren't for their father? You think the Saudis would have thrown 2 billion at Jared if he wasn't in the office his daddy in law invented for him?

I don't like nepotism either but until it becomes illegal or you can PROVE a quid pro quo as in, Joe did a specific thing to enrich a company and the company paid him, fuck off.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

It's called nepotism, welcome to the real world. You think anyone would give a rats fuck about Trump's two retarded adult sons if it weren't for their father? You think the Saudis would have thrown 2 billion at Jared if he wasn't in the office his daddy in law invented for him?

I don't like nepotism either but until it becomes illegal or you can PROVE a quid pro quo as in, Joe did a specific thing to enrich a company and the company paid him, fuck off.

When persons in government do it, it's called illegal. I'd say at this point it is clear that the Biden family was selling influence and that's illegal.

One example is getting the prosecutor in Ukraine fired. That saved Burisma from investigation. Do you know anything about the guy that replaced the prosecutor Biden wanted fired? Maybe you should look him up...

 

[QP!]

The European Commission said Shokin was doing a good job and Ukraine should get the billion.

Despite Biden’s claim, Europeans WEREN’T trying to oust Ukraine prosecutor targeting Hunter’s firm






Obama administration signed off on $1B for Ukraine Biden threatened to hold back: report

I see your post and RAISE:

Republican senators echoed Biden in urging Ukrainian president to reform prosecutor general’s office

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A newly unearthed letter from 2016 shows that Republican senators pushed for reforms to Ukraine’s prosecutor general’s office and judiciary, echoing calls then-Vice President Joe Biden made at the time.

CNN’s KFile found a February 2016 bipartisan letter signed by several Republican senators that urged then-Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko to “press ahead with urgent reforms to the Prosecutor General’s office and judiciary.”

The letter shows that addressing corruption in Ukraine’s Prosecutor General’s office had bipartisan support in the US and further undercuts a baseless attack made by President Donald Trump and his allies that Biden pressured the Ukrainian government to fire then Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin to stop investigations into a Ukrainian natural gas company that his son, Hunter Biden, sat on the board of.

And the IMF before they would provide more funds..

IMF Demand For Ukraine Reform Just Latest Red Flag For Poroshenko

...Anticorruption campaigners point to the controversial appointment in February 2014, at the height of the Euromaidan furor, of sexagenarian Prosecutor-General Viktor Shokin.

Shokin previously served in the same post under Presidents Leonid Kuchma and Viktor Yushchenko, and in his new tenure has proposed a number of Yanukovych-era holdovers for key functions, making him the ultimate political insider in the eyes of critics.

Poroshenko has ignored repeated calls to sack Shokin, including from more than 100 members of parliament....

And lets not forget the US Ambassador to Ukraine at the time...

U.S. Ambassador Upbraids Ukrainian Prosecutors Over Anticorruption Efforts

The U.S. ambassador to Ukraine has accused the country’s Prosecutor-General’s Office of obstructing efforts to combat corruption and shielding its own employees from graft investigations.

Western governments supporting Ukraine’s reform agenda have repeatedly stressed the need for Kyiv to tackle endemic corruption. But the comments by Ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt were unusually blunt for a U.S. official speaking before the public.

Pyatt told a group of business executives and investors in Odesa that the Prosecutor-General’s Office is an “obstacle” to anticorruption reforms by failing to “successfully fight internal corruption."

“Rather than supporting Ukraine’s reforms and working to root out corruption, corrupt actors within the Prosecutor-General’s Office are making things worse by openly and aggressively undermining reform,” Pyatt said in the September 24 speech.

“They intimidate and obstruct the efforts of those working honestly on reform initiatives within that same office,” Pyatt said. “The United States stands behind those who challenge these bad actors."
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...On March 29, the Ukrainian Rada finally approved the resignation of Ukraine’s disreputable Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin. He was voted out with an overwhelming majority of 289 votes, including 114 of the 134 deputies of the Poroshenko Bloc. On February 16, Shokin was forced to submit his letter of resignation in connection with the failed vote of no confidence in the government of Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk.

The amazing thing is not that he was sacked but that it has taken so long. President Petro Poroshenko appointed Shokin to the role in February 2015. From the outset, he stood out by causing great damage even to Ukraine’s substandard legal system. Most strikingly, Shokin failed to prosecute any single prominent member of the Yanukovych regime. Nor did he prosecute anyone in the current government.

Shokin skillfully blocked reform. He was in charge of implementing the 2014 law on prosecution, which the European Union had insisted on for years. It aimed to reduce the role of the prosecutors, who were absurdly superior to judges in the Soviet legal system that persisted in post-Soviet Ukraine. The law also involved a reevaluation of all prosecutors with the intention of weeding out corrupt and incompetent prosecutors. Shokin manipulated the process so successfully that the old prosecutors prevailed and minimal renewal occurred.

For these reasons, Shokin has stood out as the most obvious obstacle to judicial reform. US Ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt called for his ouster in all but name in a speech last September, and Vice President Joe Biden did so explicitly during his visit to Ukraine last December.

To an outsider, it seems strange that Shokin was allowed to do so much damage for so long, but he has clearly enjoyed Poroshenko’s full confidence and is even godfather to one of Poroshenko’s children...

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Oh and lets not forget the US State Department position...

...State Department briefing memo prepared for Biden’s visit stated he should call for the “removal of Prosecutor General Shokin” in meetings with Ukraine’s leaders. The memo, generated for Biden’s meeting with Poroshenko during the December 2015 Ukraine trip, reads in part under the heading “Background” that anti-corruption reform requires the “removal of Prosecutor General Shokin, who is widely regarded as an obstacle to fighting corruption, if not a source of the problem.” Under “Talking Points,” the document states that “anti-corruption efforts … will also require changing the Prosecutor General who is damaging your credibility and obstructing the fight against corruption.” Similar language appears in a separate memo for Biden’s meeting with then-Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk...

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Oh and lets not forget what Homeland Security had to say at the time ...

...Pyatt testified that leveraging aid to oust Shokin was “U.S. government policy.” Pyatt said in a 2020 congressional deposition that “it wasn’t Vice President Biden who conditioned the assistance” but rather “our interagency policy” based on information provided by Ukraine civil society contacts and the U.S. intelligence community and Justice Department. He further described it as “U.S. government policy” and agreed that “the condition to remove Shokin had been conveyed to Ukrainian officials prior to December 2015, and then it was reiterated by Vice President Biden in December 2015, on this trip.”

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And while we are here lets not forget what George W Bush's diplomat said about it, at the time, based on his prior experience in Ukraine...

...Bush-appointed diplomat John Herbst testified to widespread support for ousting Shokin and praised Biden for helping to push him out. Herbst, a former ambassador to Ukraine in the George W. Bush administration, testified before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee shortly before Shokin’s dismissal that in 2015, Ukrainian reformers had begun describing Shokin as a “compromised figure” and that “by late fall of 2015, the EU and the United States joined the chorus of those seeking Mr. Shokin’s removal as the start of an overall reform of the Procurator General’s Office.” He praised Biden and referenced his December 2015 meeting with Ukraine’s leaders, saying, that the vice president“has devoted a great deal of time to promoting reform in Ukraine, and he has not been reluctant to tell Mr. Poroshenko and Mr. Yatsenyuk when they have shirked the hard choices that need to be made. This was evident in the conversations regarding Mr. Shokin and the Office of the Procurator General.”...

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I'll squeeze another Bush and Trump appointee in here.

Trump appointee Kurt Volker testified that Biden “was representing U.S. policy” when he pushed for Shokin’s firing. Volker, a former diplomat who served in the Bush administration and then as the U.S. special representative for Ukraine negotiations during the Trump administration, said in a deposition for Trump’s impeachment inquiry, “When Vice President Biden made those representations to President Poroshenko he was representing U.S. policy at the time.” He went on to say that Shokin’s “reputation is one of a prosecutor general who was protecting certain interests rather than prosecuting them” and reiterated that Biden had been “executing U.S. policy at the time and what was widely understood internationally to be the right policy, right.”

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And we might as well add in a Trump Appointment Diplomat...

...Alina Romanowski, a diplomat later appointed by Trump, testified that Shokin had been “widely seen as corrupt.” Romanowski, then the State Department’s coordinator of U.S. assistance to Europe and Eurasia and subsequently the Trump administration’s ambassador to Kuwait, testified during a June 2016 subcommittee hearing that “in Ukraine, President Poroshenko and the Rada replaced a Prosecutor-General widely seen as corrupt.”..

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Kent's testimony is pretty damning too...

...George Kent, Pyatt’s deputy in Kyiv, testified that pushing for Shokin’s dismissal was the “consensus view.” Kent, who served as deputy chief of mission in Kyiv, Ukraine, from 2015 to 2018 and then oversaw U.S. foreign policy in the country as deputy assistant secretary of state, testified during Trump’s 2019 impeachment inquiry that “what former Vice President Biden requested of former President of Ukraine [Petro] Poroshenko was the removal of a corrupt prosecutor general, Viktor Shokin, who had undermined a program of assistance that we had spent, again, U.S. taxpayer money to try to build an independent investigator unit to go after corrupt prosecutors.” He also stated in his deposition, “it was the consensus view that Shokin needed to be removed so that the stated goal of reform of the prosecutor general system could move forward.”...

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...Marie Yovanovitch, U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, testified that the U.S. and Western consensus was that “Mr. Shokin as prosecutor general was not doing his job.” Yovanovitch, who served as U.S. ambassador to Ukraine from 2016 to 2019, similarly testified that “Vice President Biden, the IMF, pretty much every country that is present in Ukraine all felt that Mr. Shokin as prosecutor general was not doing his job,” leading to calls for his firing....

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The EU chimed in...

European diplomats said they were trying to force Shokin out before Biden got involved. “EU diplomats working on Ukraine at the time have, however, told the FT that they were looking for ways to persuade Kiev to remove Mr Shokin well before Mr Biden entered the picture. The push for Mr Shokin’s removal was part of an international effort to bolster Ukraine’s institutions following Russia’s annexation of Crimea and the armed conflict in the eastern part of the country. ‘All of us were really pushing [former Ukrainian president Petro] Poroshenko that he needs to do something, because the prosecutor was not following any of the corruption issues. He was really bad news,’ said an EU diplomat involved in the discussions. ‘It was Biden who finally came in [and triggered it]. Biden was the most vocal, as the US usually is. But we were all literally complaining about the prosecutor.’”...

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European nations had pressured the Ukrainian government for months to fire Shokin. In 2016, The New York Times reported: “The United States and other Western nations had for months called for the ousting of Mr. Shokin, who was widely criticized for turning a blind eye to corrupt practices and for defending the interests of a venal and entrenched elite.”

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And we can finish, for now (even though i have more) with the former

Former Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko: Shokin is “a completely crazy person.” Poroshenko was asked on Fox News about Shokin’s claim that “Poroshenko fired me at the insistence of the then-Vice President Biden because I was investigating Burisma.” He responded that Shokin is a “completely crazy person, there is something wrong with him.” He went on to say that “there is not one single word of truth” to Shokin’s allegations, adding that “he played [a] very dirty game, unfortunately.”

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