Jordan Davis Had 2 Parents, Bill Cosby!

cawacko said:
As far as racial stuff goes I hate when white liberals get involved trying to set standards for who is and isn't black and what qualifies while taking this paternalistic and condescending attitude toward them. How about stfu!
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Were you claiming you're black and I disputed that? I really don't understand this post otherwise? You don't look black to me, but you can't always tell. The Human Stain and all.
 
Darla said:
I only became aware of it recently from my twitter feed. When the Woody Allen thing hit the news again, some of the feminist writers I follow started linking to these reports. I was really shocked. It's very interesting because I have seen a lot of black feminists complaining that Chris Brown was so piled on while white abusers like Sean Penn get a pass. Looks like it's more complicated than race.
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Sean Penn, too! I haven't heard about him, either!
 
Sardonic said:
I think it was his delivery. It was the way he phrased it.

Michael Eric Dyson addresses this subject in a very thoughtful way.

He talks of how ground breaking Cosby's "Fat Albert" cartoon was and his comedy skits, too and how it introduced us to the language of the ghetto and how hypocritical it is now for Cosby to condemn said language.
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Unfortunately, cawacko has probably never heard of Michael Eric Dyson or his criticism of Cosby! It's all just rumor and certainly not as important as Cosby getting away will all these other kinds of crimes like rape and so on!
 
Dantès said:
Unfortunately, cawacko has probably never heard of Michael Eric Dyson or his criticism of Cosby! It's all just rumor and certainly not as important as Cosby getting away will all these other kinds of crimes like rape and so on!
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Actually I've read Dyson's response to Cosby. And that means what?
 
christiefan915 said:
I just looked it up. He beat on Madonna when they were married. The first actor I ever heard about who did this was Sean Connery and it's colored my opinion of him since.
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Oh, wow, don't know how I missed that! Sean Connery, too! I am disappointed, very disappointed.
 
christiefan915 said:
I wonder if Cosby thinks all the problems of Hollywood result from single-parent households because there are an awful lot of stars having babies out of wedlock.
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Right. I wonder if Cosby gets tired of people who try to pigeonhole him into something he hasn't said. While he points out the statistical connection of unmarried women having children and poverty he in no way says that all problems stem from single-parent families.

I also wonder if it is possible for the left to actually discuss any topic without using this particular form of logical fallacy.
 
Damocles said:
Right. I wonder if Cosby gets tired of people who try to pigeonhole him into something he hasn't said. While he points out the statistical connection of unmarried women having children and poverty he in no way says that all problems stem from single-parent families.
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BINGO!!

Damocles said:
I also wonder if it is possible for the left to actually discuss any topic without using this particular form of logical fallacy.
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NO, they cannot.
 
Damocles said:
Right. I wonder if Cosby gets tired of people who try to pigeonhole him into something he hasn't said. While he points out the statistical connection of unmarried women having children and poverty he in no way says that all problems stem from single-parent families.

I also wonder if it is possible for the left to actually discuss any topic without using this particular form of logical fallacy.
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Can you post anymore without making snide comments about those you debate?
 
Dantès said:
Unfortunately, cawacko has probably never heard of Michael Eric Dyson or his criticism of Cosby! It's all just rumor and certainly not as important as Cosby getting away will all these other kinds of crimes like rape and so on!
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Speaking of Mr. Dyson I love what he said of Cosby in the following:

"Cosby's poisonous view of young folks who speak a language he can barely parse [Ebonics] simmers with hostility and resentment." And "Fat Albert and the Cosby Kids, Cosby's lauded '70s television cartoon series, won greater acceptance for a new cast of black identities and vernacular language styles. Cosby has made money and gained further influence from using forms of black English he now violently detests."
 
Sardonic said:
Can you post anymore without making snide comments about those you debate?
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I commented on the inaccuracy of the remark. Can you begin to debate this with intellectual honesty about what Bill Cosby has to say? Bill isn't a republican, nor is he right-wing. You might not like what he says, but it isn't what the people on the left here pretend he said.
 
Damocles said:
Right. I wonder if Cosby gets tired of people who try to pigeonhole him into something he hasn't said. While he points out the statistical connection of unmarried women having children and poverty he in no way says that all problems stem from single-parent families.

I also wonder if it is possible for the left to actually discuss any topic without using this particular form of logical fallacy.
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I didn't say Cosby's comments were limited to single-parent families, I selected that particular statement and applied it to single-parent families who live outside the ghetto.

You're so supercilious.
 
christiefan915 said:
I didn't say Cosby's comments were limited to single-parent families, I selected that particular statement and applied it to single-parent families who live outside the ghetto.

You're so supercilious.
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And my main point is that statistical outliers do not change the validity of Cosby's statements even if you pretend that he says that all problems stem from single parent families.

The reality is the single largest predictor of poverty (statistically), and all the problems that poverty includes, is a child born to an unmarried mother (one that never married, if you are married when you have the kids then divorce this statistic changes drastically). Now while Bill says that, you pretend that he means "all problems stem from unmarried mothers" and then extrapolate he believes that because of that Hollywood's issues must be from the same, and do it in a sarcastic (should we say sardonic) statement that tries to dismiss the validity of what Bill actually talks about. You dislike what Bill has to say so you try to mock him away with sarcasm misapplied in a very intellectually dishonest means.

Basically you deploy the standard of logical fallacy set by the leftists that I speak with everywhere, the straw man fallacy.

It is much easier to mock somebody when you attribute nonsense to them, especially nonsense they never stated.
 
Damocles said:
And my main point is that statistical outliers do not change the validity of Cosby's statements even if you pretend that he says that all problems stem from single parent families.

The reality is the single largest predictor of poverty (statistically), and all the problems that poverty includes, is a child born to an unmarried mother (one that never married, if you are married when you have the kids then divorce this statistic changes drastically). Now while Bill says that, you pretend that he means "all problems stem from unmarried mothers" and then extrapolate he believes that because of that Hollywood's issues must be from the same, and do it in a sarcastic (should we say sardonic) statement that tries to dismiss the validity of what Bill actually talks about. You dislike what Bill has to say so you try to mock him away with sarcasm misapplied in a very intellectually dishonest means.

Basically you deploy the standard of logical fallacy set by the leftists that I speak with everywhere, the straw man fallacy.

It is much easier to mock somebody when you attribute nonsense to them.
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First I wrote: "I didn't say Cosby's comments were limited to single-parent families..."

And you responded "... pretend that he says that all problems stem from single parent families..." and "you pretend that he means "all problems stem from unmarried mothers"...

You offered your explanation on what I really meant, as if I can't speak for myself and need you to be an interpreter.

As long as you don't read what I write anyway, what's the point in responding to you?
 
Damocles said:
And my main point is that statistical outliers do not change the validity of Cosby's statements even if you pretend that he says that all problems stem from single parent families.

The reality is the single largest predictor of poverty (statistically), and all the problems that poverty includes, is a child born to an unmarried mother (one that never married, if you are married when you have the kids then divorce this statistic changes drastically). Now while Bill says that, you pretend that he means "all problems stem from unmarried mothers" and then extrapolate he believes that because of that Hollywood's issues must be from the same, and do it in a sarcastic (should we say sardonic) statement that tries to dismiss the validity of what Bill actually talks about. You dislike what Bill has to say so you try to mock him away with sarcasm misapplied in a very intellectually dishonest means.

Basically you deploy the standard of logical fallacy set by the leftists that I speak with everywhere, the straw man fallacy.

It is much easier to mock somebody when you attribute nonsense to them, especially nonsense they never stated.
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The "I can see Russia from my house" kind of nonsense.

Thank you for the concise rebuttal to the Cosby attack. I understand the negative reaction from black America over the kinds of statistics that seem to single them out in an unsavory light. But facts are facts. The same parameters of out of wedlock births apply to every ethnicity as regards crime and poverty.

Digging below the surface is more complicated than most of these kinds of discussions manage to achieve.
 
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