Julius Caesar

[Rune]

Man I know that Crypiss is seriously humour free zone, but give me a break! Those bastards came over here and wanted to tear down Churchill and Baden Powell ffs. Please don't start yet another bloody diatribe about the Civil War it been done to death already!

Baden Powell was a true world hero.
Too bag the Progs destroyed the massive infrastructure he and his sister created for "equality".

 

[archives]

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Again, too funny, even Trump gave up on that one in March, put in its simplest terms, the flu had treatments, a vaccine for everyone, and natural immunities in others, COVID has none of the above, no preventive measures, plus, the numbers you are employing for the flu cover over nearly two years, COVID has surpassed them in seven months

 

[Ross Dolan]

It's not funny because it is not named a Julius Ceasar salad, and it is not named after the Roman statesman Julius Gaius Caesar.

As I told you, Caesar is just an imperial title used in the Roman and Russian empires, and the name became commonly used for boys born in some latin countries.

The Caesar salad was named after its inventor, the restaurant owner Caesar Cardini of Mexico.
http://www.bbc.com/travel/story/20190521-the-surprising-truth-about-caesar-salad

Your joke was not funny because the salad has nothing to do with Juilius Ceasar

I think the "Kaiser" of Germany (Emperor) also is derived from Caesar.

And the Roman word for Emperor "Caesar" was derived from the family name of Julius Caesar.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

'Caesar' probably meant 'hairy', and the Great Dictator was going bald, which is why he needed bay ('laurel') leaves on his head as often as possible. Unlike your current version, that seems to have been the limit of his personal inadequacy, whereas what you've got is is a sort of textbook case of the Inferiority Complex.

Hmmmm Trump May have been comparable to Crassus and we know what happened to Crassus.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

All are based on the dictator who destroyed the Roman Republic. Julius Caesar got what was coming to him. Brutus was a hero of the Republic.

Brutus was an academic idiot with a score to settle that Caesar was banging his mother and reniged on his promise to Brutus to marry Caesars hot teenage daughter.

It’s really unfair to blame Caesar for the fall of the Republic. The conservative rump of the Senatorial Oligarchy which was utterly rotten with corruption and completely incompetent at governing a world wide empire.

Had not Caesar overthrown the Republic Pompey or Antonius certainly would have.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Brutus was an academic idiot with a score to settle that Caesar was banging his mother and reniged on his promise to Brutus to marry Caesars hot teenage daughter.

It’s really unfair to blame Caesar for the fall of the Republic. The conservative rump of the Senatorial Oligarchy which was utterly rotten with corruption and completely incompetent at governing a world wide empire.

Had not Caesar overthrown the Republic Pompey or Antonius certainly would have.

Sooooo Hitler had to take over Germany because it they were all going to turn into assholes anyway? Is that how it works?

Julius did it, not anyone else. That's history, that's fact. You can suck his dead, shriveled cock all you want but he is directly responsible for the path that put Rome onto Caligula and Nero.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Sooooo Hitler had to take over Germany because it they were all going to turn into assholes anyway? Is that how it works?

Julius did it, not anyone else. That's history, that's fact. You can suck his dead, shriveled cock all you want but he is directly responsible for the path that put Rome onto Caligula and Nero.

That’s simply untrue. The Republic was on it’s last legs well before Caesar became Dictator. Marius and Sulla, though unintentional, did as much to undermine the Republic, not to mention Crassus and Pompey but it Octavian who put “done” to the Republic by creating the Principate.

Which is irrelevant as Rome, under the Republic, would have completely imploded by the end of the first century due the constant civil wars. Rome as a great Empire would have ceased.

So though Caesar contributed significantly to the fall of the Republic the Republic probably needed to be killed anyway and Octavian killed it permanently and gave Rome what it desperately needed. A strong executive government.

Caesar attempted that but screwed up by alienating the Roman political class by, as Doctor, essentially eliminating the Roman political institutions which the political class viewed as their birthright and they killed Caesar for that.

Octavian didn’t make Caesar’s mistake. He kept the Republican political institutions and permitted the Roman political class to compete for those offices but he legislated all real political power into the office of the Princips.

Which was political genius. He gave Rome the strong central executive it needed while preserving the prerogatives of the Roman political class.

And Octavian died an old man in his bed, unlike Caesar, and Octavian grew Rome to an even greater extent. Not only that but he created a stable political system that lasted over a thousand years into Byzantium.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

That’s simply untrue. The Republic was on it’s last legs well before Caesar became Dictator. Marius and Sulla, though unintentional, did as much to undermine the Republic, not to mention Crassus and Pompey but it Octavian who put “done” to the Republic by creating the Principate.

Which is irrelevant as Rome, under the Republic, would have completely imploded by the end of the first century due the constant civil wars. Rome as a great Empire would have ceased.

So though Caesar contributed significantly to the fall of the Republic the Republic probably needed to be killed anyway and Octavian killed it permanently and gave Rome what it desperately needed. A strong executive government.

Caesar attempted that but screwed up by alienating the Roman political class by, as Doctor, essentially eliminating the Roman political institutions which the political class viewed as their birthright and they killed Caesar for that.

Octavian didn’t make Caesar’s mistake. He kept the Republican political institutions and permitted the Roman political class to compete for those offices but he legislated all real political power into the office of the Princips.

Which was political genius. He gave Rome the strong central executive it needed while preserving the prerogatives of the Roman political class.

And Octavian died an old man in his bed, unlike Caesar, and Octavian grew Rome to an even greater extent. Not only that but he created a stable political system that lasted over a thousand years into Byzantium.

I know the history. What you and I are disagreeing about is your fantasy of what could have happened, while I'm sticking with what did happen. Julius Caesar turned a Republic into a dictatorship. Sic semper tyrannis. He got what he deserved. Too bad a soldier didn't do it before Caesar crossed the Rubicon but history is history.

 

[Iolo/Penderyn]

Spartacus was the only bloke worth bothering with, politically at least. As for literature, what's worth the bother after Catulus?

Correction: I forgot Horace and, I suppose, Vergil, if you like that sort of thing. The latter would have gone down big under Stalin, though he'd be a bit too difficult for Trumpf!