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Bladerunner and Firefly both see a future where Chinese and American influence are the two major influences in the world. They may not be far off.
 
Yeah, Firefly was great!

America is the one that is, China is the one that will be.
Declination and acsention.
 
Socrtease said:
Bladerunner and Firefly both see a future where Chinese and American influence are the two major influences in the world. They may not be far off.
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Ummm.... they already ARE the second major influence in the world. Bar none. Not even the combo EU countries can compete with Chinese influence today.

The question is.... can we remain the other?
 
Superfreak said:
Ummm.... they already ARE the second major influence in the world. Bar none. Not even the combo EU countries can compete with Chinese influence today.

The question is.... can we remain the other?
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Can the customer remain the boss ? Well in the USA comsumers are 2/3 of our economy but we sure are not the boss.
 
uscitizen said:
Yeah, Firefly was great!

America is the one that is, China is the one that will be.
Declination and acsention.
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I wonder how the US will react to our decline as a world power other than militarily, which we will maintain for a while. But our power in the world as a shaker and a mover is going to decline, just like every power does. I have never read much on the subject as the British Empire declined, but it will be interesting to watch.
 
I wonder what we will do when it finally sinks in that we are in decline. I hope no desperate things like nuke someone to prove how powerful we are.

Will we decline gracefully or be a brat and need to be kicked in the ass ?
 
Socrtease said:
I wonder how the US will react to our decline as a world power other than militarily, which we will maintain for a while. But our power in the world as a shaker and a mover is going to decline, just like every power does. I have never read much on the subject as the British Empire declined, but it will be interesting to watch.
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I would argue that we are not in decline but just that other powers are rising. I think if you look at the British empire what effectively ended their run was economics. They were draining their treasury as they tried to keep control of all their colonies.

The U.S. is not losing economically but how we deal politically with these rising countries will determine the role we will play going forward.
 
I would argue that we are not in decline but just that other powers are rising. I think if you look at the British empire what effectively ended their run was economics. They were draining their treasury as they tried to keep control of all their colonies.
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Kinda like our draining the treasury for Iraq ?
 
cawacko said:
I would argue that we are not in decline but just that other powers are rising. I think if you look at the British empire what effectively ended their run was economics. They were draining their treasury as they tried to keep control of all their colonies.

The U.S. is not losing economically but how we deal politically with these rising countries will determine the role we will play going forward.
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Tomato tomahto. Our influence in the world is on the wane. If the rest of the world is rising with the tide and we are not in relative terms we are on a decline. It happens to ever superpower in the history of the world. It will just be interesting to see how the US handles it.
 
When they predict downturn it isn't for 8 years running then crowing about how great they are when it comes.

LOL'd
 
tinfoil said:
When they predict downturn it isn't for 8 years running then crowing about how great they are when it comes.

LOL'd
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Since day 1, I have contended that "cut taxes" is not an economic plan, and that the Bush admin's economic policy as a whole - which included massive spending combined with massive tax cuts at a time of war - SUCKED. The "Bush economy" has never been outstanding; it's been plagued by stops & starts the whole way, and the promise of growth from the cuts never panned out. For about 5 years, I have pointed out - to the cries of "doomer" and "coffee fetcher" - that the economy was being propped up by an overinflated housing market, which was allowing consumers to incur record debt against their unrealistic home values. A flimsy foundation at best, and a recipe for disaster should housing take a turn for the worse.

I wasn't just saying - "there'll be a recession. You'll see."
 
uscitizen said:
I would argue that we are not in decline but just that other powers are rising. I think if you look at the British empire what effectively ended their run was economics. They were draining their treasury as they tried to keep control of all their colonies.
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Kinda like our draining the treasury for Iraq ?
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Not even close or comparable.
 
cawacko said:
Not even close or comparable.
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Of course not, and Afganistan did not help drain down the former USSR either ?

also after recovery from this wolrdwide US led economic fiasco, and the Iraq fiasco, the world might be a bit less eager to follow our leads.
 
uscitizen said:
Of course not, and Afganistan did not help drain down the former USSR either ?
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We weren't talking about the U.S.S.R. Go do a little research on what it was costing Britain to try and keep together its empire at the end. It is not even close or near the same ballpark as the Iraq war is for the U.S.
 
uscitizen said:
Naah just about 1/4 of our tax income.
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Nice math you have working there. The U.S. federal government collected over $2 trillion in taxes 2007. The Iraq war has so far cost some $500 billion. That $500 billion is over five years. That is not 25% or close to it.
 
cawacko said:
Nice math you have working there. The U.S. federal government collected over $2 trillion in taxes 2007. The Iraq war has so far cost some $500 billion. That $500 billion is over five years. That is not 25% or close to it.
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Short term view there bud. At this point if we pulled out tomorrow the was is projected to cost well over one trilliion. In total costs. And that money you speak of is just supplemental spending, how much of our regular military budget is being spent there ?
 
uscitizen said:
Short term view there bud. At this point if we pulled out tomorrow the was is projected to cost well over one trilliion. In total costs. And that money you speak of is just supplemental spending, how much of our regular military budget is being spent there ?
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I don't have the numbers in front of me for what the British spent trying to maintain their empire. It is in a book at home. But their economic situation is not comparable. The Iraq war is expensive but is having no where near the same effect on our economy that the British faced in the early 20th century.
 
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