TexanManWithPlans
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Really? Because there's only one party trying to protect Confederate statues, and it's not the Democrats.
Just walk away from the party of slavery, Jim Crow, the KKK, identity politics, infan
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Really? Because there's only one party trying to protect Confederate statues, and it's not the Democrats.
Truck Fump / h1b
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those who forget history are doomed to repeat it, dumdum.
StoneByStone
It's OK to Be White
This is such a stupid argument. The confederate statues aren't there to remind people that the Confederacy was bad, they're there to celebrate segregation.
Imagine if someone said we should build a badass statue of Osama bin Laden near the WTC in order to remember 9/11. Nobody would like that because it would be celebrating Terrorism, not simply being a reminder of 9/11 happening.
Truck Fump / h1b
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you're a stupid argument.
these dems want to remove the statues because these confederates were all dems. doy.
StoneByStone
It's OK to Be White
Truck Fump / h1b
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hey stupid, it's valuable to remember that people who do awful things can still be revered by society at large. like clintons and obamas. it's a lesson about authority itself.
IBDaMann
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IBDaMann
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The Civil War was not fought over slavery.
The Confederacy was a symbloy of the South and of State Sovereignty, not of racism. Stop trying to revise history to facilitate a socialist takeover of the US.
StoneByStone
It's OK to Be White
I agree. But the reason the confederate monuments were built during desegregation, well after the war had been over for nearly a hundred years, was to repurpose them as symbols of segregation.
And I don't actually see self-segregation as necessarily being racist, so I'm not trying to condemn them here. Just saying that the monuments were built to represent segregation.
StoneByStone
It's OK to Be White
We should build a statue of Osama bin Laden by the WTC. You know, just to remember history and revere the good things he did.
IBDaMann
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Nope. You are trying to revise history. The statues are testaments to the prominence of the individuals depicted. A statue is like a hyperlink directing one's attention to something worth studying, especially to prevent repeating a part of history that one would rather not repeat. We should definitely study Hitler and Lenin, not destroy their statues. Why do you think Jews maintain NAZI war museums?
Nobody gets to "repurpose" a statue. Nobody gets to rewrite history.
It's not. It can't be, by definition. Racism involves political power and the power to actually affect people's lives based on race.
The KKK are not racist; they have no power. They are bigots and they self-segregate.
They were built to represent those who fought to preserve State Sovereignty in exactly the same way George Washinton is depicted as fighting for the independence of the United States. Exactly the same.
Truck Fump / h1b
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We should build a statue of Osama bin Laden by the WTC. You know, just to remember history and revere the good things he did.
im fine with it. we need to remember the threat of jihad.
StoneByStone
It's OK to Be White
BooooooooLLsheeeeeeeet!!
Truck Fump / h1b
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StoneByStone
It's OK to Be White
Babe, you don't want to do the Nazi thing with this subject. After WWII, Germany took down all of the monuments honoring Nazis. Yes, they teach about Nazism in schools and museums, but if you go to Bavaria, you don't see statues of Heinrich Himmler or Hermann Göring looking all badass.
The former Eastern Bloc countries also took down statues of Stalin, because while they still teach about Soviet occupation in schools, they don't want to see monuments honoring a mass murderer every time they go outside.
And that's the stance most people in America have today. They want to take down the statues honoring the Confederacy, but they want it to continue being taught in schools and museums, just like it is right now.
I wish that was true, but that's a different issue. The point is that the statues were built, nearly a hundred years after the war, in order to promote segregation. They were not created during the Confederacy and then left as symbols of the time. Not saying this is good or bad, this is simply what happened.
IBDaMann
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I'm not sure what the "NAZI thing" is but I'll make sure to keep you posted on what I decide I want.
You are conflating words again. The statues were removed from their location and many were moved to museums (and many destroyed). Go on ...
Great. Done. This is how it is should be.
Sure, but are the statues still available in museums? Is Stalin a part of history that they would care to not repeat? If the answer is that they would hope it not be repeated then I would ask if they would risk their grandchildren not being sufficiently interested in learning about it such that they usher in the exact same thing with thundering applause. Why would anyone leave a legacy of disinterest in learning the lesson that matter the most? So go ahead, destroy the statues and relegate future generations to not being particularly interested in learning those subjects. This is, after all, the Marxist's objective, i.e. prevent people from learning of Marxism's failures so the same things keep happening and happening over and over again.
Final Answer: Don't destroy statues. Remove them from public view when appropriate and move them to museums. Show them to children and to future generations lest they make the same mistakes.
They want to destroy statues just because they want to destroy things. They are HATERS and losers and have the emotional maturity of toddlers.
Nope. Each statue individually stands as a testament to the prominence of said individual and tells us that there is some history here to be studied. If you were taught something else then you should find whoever was responsible for your education and give him/her a healthy bitch-slap and hand him/her a bill for your loss.
StoneByStone
It's OK to Be White
Yes, which is what people in America want with the confederate statues. The Germans didn't leave up their monuments to Nazis in public because they understood that would be honoring the Nazis. Much like Americans don't want confederate statues up in public because, wait for it, that would be honoring the Confederacy!
See how fast you had to backpedal?
#deflection
Nobody is saying we shouldn't be teaching about the Confederacy. All that's being said is that the monuments shouldn't be displayed in public because that honors the cause. Again, these people want to do exactly what Germany did after WWII.
So why were the statues built nearly a hundred years later after the Confederacy ended, conveniently when the South was fighting against desegregation?
It sound like you really just want to side with the Right on this one, despite being ignorant of why the statues were commissioned.
IBDaMann
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No, you have shifted goalposts to an entirely different stadium.
The people in America want to DESTROY the statues they no longer want in public. You are mistating their intentions. I have been arguing that they should instead be moved to museums. If you agree with me then great, speak out against those who simply want to destroy statues and property and to loot and to attack people.
StoneByStone
It's OK to Be White
So much for the Nazi comparisons, eh?
Anyway, the people protesting just want them gone. Whether they're destroyed or moved to a museum, they don't care about that.
Your original point about them just being reminders or history doesn't hold up.
BattleofHodow
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That is pretty funny, the Southerners are so dumb & desperate, you expect them to start screeching like a Chimp.