Ichabod Stain
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democrats have historically been the masters and largest practitioners of race based gerrymandering.
stop lying.
look who's upset about making race based gerrymandering illegal..
Dems are upset.
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stop lying.
look who's upset about making race based gerrymandering illegal..
Dems are upset.
Prove it, show us you are not a bullshitter, making up lies, offer something to document your claim
Ichabod Stain
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who's upset?
T. A. Gardner
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Invent it? No. Created it would be a better phrase. Look for example at Illinois and New York. Both states did exactly what the Republicans are doing now, only they did it a decade or more ago. They 'gerrymandered' --really just redrew--districts to eliminate Republican ones in the state where they could. Adam Kinzinger, one of the few Republicans to want to impeach Trump the first time around, was gerrymandered out of his district in Illinois for example.
Well, the Republicans may be slow, but they aren't stupid. They're finally doing the exact same thing to Democrats in their states and unfortunately for the Democrats, they have far more to lose to Republicans than they gained doing it to Republicans in blue states.
So, you got nothing, nothing to prove that what you posted was anything but bullshit, a flat out lie, but that is alright, I think most knew that anyway
NEXT
Ichabod Stain
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Living in New York I can tell you that is not true, in 2014 NY created an independent commission to draw lines on Congressional districts. Democrats can not just have the State Legislature redraw districts overnight as is being done in Red States. However, with current trends, the State Legislature is now working on an amendment to eliminate the commission which if passed would next have to be put on the ballot in November. If passed, NY could redistrict with the Democrats picking up to four or five new seatsInvent it? No. Created it would be a better phrase. Look for example at Illinois and New York. Both states did exactly what the Republicans are doing now, only they did it a decade or more ago. They 'gerrymandered' --really just redrew--districts to eliminate Republican ones in the state where they could. Adam Kinzinger, one of the few Republicans to want to impeach Trump the first time around, was gerrymandered out of his district in Illinois for example.
Well, the Republicans may be slow, but they aren't stupid. They're finally doing the exact same thing to Democrats in their states and unfortunately for the Democrats, they have far more to lose to Republicans than they gained doing it to Republicans in blue states.
Other Blue States are in similar situations
Your corny GIF is erroneous
T. A. Gardner
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NY slammed over Staten Island-Brooklyn gerrymander
Four New Yorkers want a redraw of New York’s 11th Congressional District to better represent disenfranchised voters on Staten Island.
www.courthousenews.com
New York Democrats Play Fast and Loose With Redistricting
State legislators must respect election laws and redistricting procedures—not game them for partisan advantage.
www.city-journal.org
Democrats ask Supreme Court not to disrupt New York redistricting dispute
Two separate groups of New York voters and elected officials on Thursday afternoon urged the Supreme Court to leave in place a ruling by a state trial judge in Manhattan that would bar the state from…
New York was gerrymandering before this all blew up in Democrat's faces as blue states started to do the same. Now, Democrats are scrambling at the last minute to salvage a situation they created over more than a decade.
The problem is, blue states are losing population, and they've largely already been gerrymandered--using that term loosely--to the max. In the New England states there are right now no competitive Republican districts. The Democrats can't improve on that. And given the Republicans have more states to work with, this doesn't bode well for Democrats.
Still wrong, they tried it in NY but the Court ruled against them because the recommended maps were not those of the Redistricting Commission. Again, NY can not just go out and redistrict, the Governor can’t tell the Legislature to do it tomorrow and it is done as in Red States. Your argument that Blue States have done it is bogusNY slammed over Staten Island-Brooklyn gerrymander
Four New Yorkers want a redraw of New York’s 11th Congressional District to better represent disenfranchised voters on Staten Island.
New York Democrats Play Fast and Loose With Redistricting
State legislators must respect election laws and redistricting procedures—not game them for partisan advantage.
Democrats ask Supreme Court not to disrupt New York redistricting dispute
Two separate groups of New York voters and elected officials on Thursday afternoon urged the Supreme Court to leave in place a ruling by a state trial judge in Manhattan that would bar the state from…www.scotusblog.com
New York was gerrymandering before this all blew up in Democrat's faces as blue states started to do the same. Now, Democrats are scrambling at the last minute to salvage a situation they created over more than a decade.
The problem is, blue states are losing population, and they've largely already been gerrymandered--using that term loosely--to the max. In the New England states there are right now no competitive Republican districts. The Democrats can't improve on that. And given the Republicans have more states to work with, this doesn't bode well for Democrats.
And your second point is also incorrect. With redistricting NY could add up to five new Democratic districts. NE is a bad example because those States lack Republicans voters, 8% of Mass is Republican, got nothing to do with gerrymandering
T. A. Gardner
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My point exactly! The Democrats have been trying damn hard to redistrict blue states to cut out Republicans but have been largely stopped because their attempts were blatantly illegal and amateurish. It's pretty clear that the Republicans have taken their time and are doing their redistricting in such a way as to pass legal muster.
NY has tried and failed for the same reasons as Virginia. The Democrats aren't doing their attempts by the rules and law. They're just trying the 'bulldozer' method and it's failing.
As for New England, the biggest voting block there is Independents at cumulatively, roughly 40 something percent. They outnumber both Democrats and Republicans yet are not represented.
Ah, Democrats are the ones who created the independent commission, if they were “trying damn hard” to gerrymander they would have taken steps to abolish the commission long before now, you are still wrong, third time, I live here, I know what is happening
Virginia failed because of a procedural error, like NY tney also have an independent board on drawing lines, common theme among blue states and unheard of in red states. Also like NY, consecutive legislative sessions have to vote on abolishing the commission before it can be put before the public, Virginia thought they met that requirement but the Court felt otherwise. Virginia will do it again next year
Don’t know what independents has to do with gerrymandering
T. A. Gardner
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Given they are now the biggest political bloc there is, shouldn't persons running as "Independent" be put on the ballot automatically while Democrats and Republicans have to go out and get signatures and all that stuff as other minority parties have to do?
As for Virginia their attempt failed because it was outright illegal, not just some "procedural error." Everything from violating state law on when such an initiative could go on the ballot to falsely wording the initiative that went on the ballot doomed their effort.
Getting signatures isn’t difficult unless you are a lousy candidate, and being non affiliated doesn’t mean you get special privileges
The Court concluded the Virginia legislature didn’t fill all the requirements, that two separate votes in different sessions to put the Redistricting before the public, a procedural error, which is also debatable, the Court, Republican by appointment, ruled the first session occurred too long ago. As I said, a supposedly procedure error
Teflon Don
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I guess you know more than the Cook Report
T. A. Gardner
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In most, virtually all, states the Democrats and Republican candidates are automatically on the ballot. Third parties much gather signatures and jump through additional hoops to get on. That costs them time and money that the Democrats and Republicans don't have to spend.
The court concluded that the legislature didn't follow the correct process and worded the initiative on the ballot deceptively. It wasn't an "error," it was intentionally trying to circumvent the legal process because otherwise they couldn't do this before the mid-term elections which was the whole point of the exercise.
The Virginia Supreme Court found the initiative "unconstitutional"
Virginia Constitution WINS - Democrats lose.
Virginia Supreme Court has struck down the redistricting referendum as unconstitutional after finding Democrats violated Virginia’s constitutional amendment process.
electiontransparency.org
Judge Strikes Down Virginia Redistricting Amendment, Voids Special Election Results | Law Commentary
A Virginia judge has voided a voter-approved redistricting measure and blocked certification of the election results, finding that the amendment violated multiple provisions of the state constitution and was invalid from the start, according to a final judgment entered April 22 in Tazewell...
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ILLEGAL not and "error."
And do tell us with citation what the Cook Report said
Only on the ballot if the appropriate party nominates them, and seeing independents have no party backing they have to collect signatures, otherwise, what’s stopping anyone from saying they are running and ge their name on a ballot?In most, virtually all, states the Democrats and Republican candidates are automatically on the ballot. Third parties much gather signatures and jump through additional hoops to get on. That costs them time and money that the Democrats and Republicans don't have to spend.
The court concluded that the legislature didn't follow the correct process and worded the initiative on the ballot deceptively. It wasn't an "error," it was intentionally trying to circumvent the legal process because otherwise they couldn't do this before the mid-term elections which was the whole point of the exercise.
The Virginia Supreme Court found the initiative "unconstitutional"
Virginia Constitution WINS - Democrats lose.
Virginia Supreme Court has struck down the redistricting referendum as unconstitutional after finding Democrats violated Virginia’s constitutional amendment process.
Judge Strikes Down Virginia Redistricting Amendment, Voids Special Election Results | Law Commentary
A Virginia judge has voided a voter-approved redistricting measure and blocked certification of the election results, finding that the amendment violated multiple provisions of the state constitution and was invalid from the start, according to a final judgment entered April 22 in Tazewell...
ILLEGAL not and "error."
Exactly, they failed, according to the Court, to follow the established procedure, and missing from your arguments is the fact the Blue States have to go thru steps established to prevent gerrymandering to include a public vote while Red States only take a Governor’s phone call, underscores your position the Democrats were always gerrymandering
Teflon Don
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Look it up yourself
Teflon Don
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And you just have to look at the maps. The entire northeast is not in play. They have already been gerrymandered in favor of Blue Team
NY is potential, but there are legal and constitutional hurdles
CA is potential to pick up 4 to 5
IL is already pretty gerrymandered and can only get 1 at most
NJ maybe 1 to 2 seats
Virginia? Already been squashed
So Blue Team has a shot at 7 seats they can gerrymander
Red Team has up to 19 they can gain and that even before the new census comes out which if things hold, does not favor Blue Team
T. A. Gardner
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Then the rules need to change. People clearly don't throw much support behind Democrats or Republicans anymore.
It wasn't an "error." It was a deliberate attempt to circumvent the law and gain power for one political party.