Kurdish Terrorists Attack Turkey

Damocles said:
It is just as dangerous to be protectionist and attempt to effect the world not at all...

Yes, foreign relations is a difficult and dangerous game and people like Carter end up funding bad people doing bad things... Attempting to say that we should not attempt to effect the world positively would have a different negative effect on the US. In fact we never became a world power until we did work to effect the world positively.
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Agree.

But, you also have to be prudent in who you support. You can't be simple-minded about it. The groups you support also have to directly or indirectly promote the interests of the united states.

Groups simply claiming to be "anti-saddam", or "anit-iranian" is not enough of a critieria. Tons of people are willing to take our money, and merely tell us what "we want to hear".

Look at the Iraqi National Congress. They told bush "what he wanted to hear", but they had their own agenda. They sent liars and moles to bush, to tell him that Saddam had WMD. INC wanted us to invade for their own interests, and used the hapless bush as their tool.
 
Cypress said:
Agree.

But, you also have to be prudent in who you support. You can't be simple-minded about it. The groups you support also have to directly or indirectly promote the interests of the united states.

Groups simply claiming to be "anti-saddam", or "anit-iranian" is not enough of a critieria. Tons of people are willing to take our money, and merely tell us what "we want to hear".

Look at the Iraqi National Congress. They told bush "what he wanted to hear", but they had their own agenda. They sent liars and moles to bush, to tell him that Saddam had WMD. INC wanted us to invade for their own interests, and used the hapless bush as their tool.
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Yet another lie. Plenty of "hapless" Dems were told way before Bush about WMD in Iraq:

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." -- From a letter signed by Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John Kerry among others on October 9, 1998

"Saddam's goal ... is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed." -- Madeline Albright, 1998

"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow." -- Bill Clinton in 1998

"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -- current Dem party house minority leader Nancy Pelosi, December 16, 1998

LIAR
 
mainemoron said:
Ah the old quotes.... none of them mention invading conquering and occupying....
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We're talking about WMD's aren't we dumbass, learn to read stupid.

As for invasion, all the Dems knew what the vote in late 2002 meant and none of them said jack shit after the spring 2003 invasion about not supporting actual war. Instead they waited until months later and THEN pretended and spoke out against being for the war.
Bush fucked up, but you guys did too AND you try and deceive.
 
We're talking about WMD's aren't we dumbass, learn to read stupid.

We are talking about financing (directly or indirectly) terrorist organisations...
 
TheDanold said:
We're talking about WMD's aren't we dumbass, learn to read stupid.

As for invasion, all the Dems knew what the vote in late 2002 meant and none of them said jack shit after the spring 2003 invasion about not supporting actual war. Instead they waited until months later and THEN pretended and spoke out against being for the war.
Bush fucked up, but you guys did too AND you try and deceive.
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a majority of congressional democrats voted against the resolution. They all spoke up then, when it counted.
 
AnyOldIron said:
"Why the fuck would Kurds in Iraq want to help a Kurdish party in Turkey when they support their Kurdish party in Iraq?"

Are you not aware? The Kurdish groups are fighting for a Kurdish state across northern Iraq and southern Turkey.

The PKK has long used northern Iraq as an operating base from which to attack Turkish targets.
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Ideally of course they want a seperate state, but you have to think that if the Kurds in Iraq were committed to doing that for Turkey, why would they not try and do it in their own country with terrorist activities?
The fact that Kurds in Iraq don't even do that in their own country, would make it much more unlikely that those same Kurds would do it in another country.

And let's not ignore geography here, these are not the typical across-the-border guerilla tactics/attacks that you often see in many countries. These terrorist activities happened all the way over in Eastern Turkey.
 
maineman said:
tap dancing from a burger flipping moron who doesn't understand the players.
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Sorry never flipped any burgers, maybe if you worked in a poor job once you would know what they actually do, but then you are a Liberal Democrat so it's much better to romanticize or disdain that kind of living based on who you're dealing with of course.

I'll take your comment as as open admission that you are beat, cornered, nailed and owned by my factual argument and logical deduction...as per usual.
Now be a good little boy and go try doing some actual work for your capitalist company that pays you to come on here and espouse Liberal bullshit against them.
 
you can "take" whatever you'd like...the fact remains that you are ignorant about the various sects involved in the conflict(s) in the middle east and you are in over your head... you really don't have the education or the background and experience to be discussing the nuances of the byzantine workings of middle eastern politics. You really look like a former fry guy at McD's when you do...

I just thought you should know, you egotistical prick.
 
maineman said:
you can "take" whatever you'd like...the fact remains that you are ignorant about the various sects involved in the conflict(s) in the middle east and you are in over your head... you really don't have the education or the background and experience to be discussing the nuances of the byzantine workings of middle eastern politics. You really look like a former fry guy at McD's when you do...

I just thought you should know, you egotistical prick.
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AHAHAHAHAHA, Maineman does what every Liberal does when beaten, relies on his English degree (for the word byzantine), like his impressive lexicon is some sort of substitute for a decent argument and he tries to belittle some thing about his opponent (worked at lowly McDonalds as a teen).
Face it Mainemoron, with all that paragraph of rant you could not refute one single thing I said, you're pathetic and next time try leaving the arguments to the smarter Liberals like AnyoldIron, mmmkay kiddo?
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Here is a quick refutation: your suggestion that kurds do not work together to foment problems in areas where they live is ridiculous.... kurds aren't pressing the fight in Iraq because they have got a fairly sweet deal right now ...that does not mean that kurds throughout the region are not allied in pursuit of their long range goals.

I don't have an english degree, by the way...I have an engineering degree...and an MBA. And regardless, you still don't know what you are talking about vis a vis the middle east....you should stick to areas closer to home
 
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