L.A. Fires

FastLane said:
Good to know that you are OK. Did you hear about the huge increase in power surges prior to the fires. It sounds like arcing power line may have started some of the fires.

Power grid faults surged right before Los Angeles wildfires began: expert​

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I'm up North so I'm good thanks but having gone to school in LA and lived there a bit after that I know plenty of people there so it's sad.

This has been a long time in the making and a perfect storm so to speak of conditions occurred.
 
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cawacko said:
I'm up North so I'm good thanks but having gone to school in LA and lived there a bit after that I know plenty of people there so it's sad. This has been a long time in the making and a perfect storm so to speak of conditions occurred.
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Climate change, right?
 
cawacko said:
I'm up North so I'm good thanks but having gone to school in LA and lived there a bit after that I know plenty of people there so it's sad.

This has been a long time in the making and a perfect storm so to speak of conditions occurred.
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Yep the SA winds may have led to power line arcs that sparked fires. As you know that has happened before in California. The power company should have been proactive and shut the power down and prevented arcing. But that too is a risky thing.
 
cawacko said:
I'm up North so I'm good thanks but having gone to school in LA and lived there a bit after that I know plenty of people there so it's sad.

This has been a long time in the making and a perfect storm so to speak of conditions occurred.
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I re-watched the Netflix special on the fire in Paradise. A lot of ordinary people became heroes in that 24 hours.
 
FastLane said:
Yep the SA winds may have led to power line arcs that sparked fires. As you know that has happened before in California. The power company should have been proactive and shut the power down and prevented arcing. But that too is a risky thing.
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You're right about the shutting off of power. It would have helped but there are also risks involved in doing so so that's a tough one.
 
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cawacko said:
Late to the party here but throwing in some local thoughts. It's just sad. I have four fraternity brothers I know of that have lost their homes.
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Yes. It is quite horrific what has happened.
cawacko said:
Because people inevitably want to discuss the causes I'll offer several. For starters it was just a really unfortunate mix of drought conditions and Santa Ana winds. Really hard to prevent that. But there are things we could have done differently.
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Wind does not start fires. The SDTC has insufficient water reservoirs and insufficient power generating capacity.
Brush is not cleared away, providing a perfect fuel when a fire does get started.
Arsonists started several of these fires.

Horrible as this is, it is, unfortunately, self inflicted.
cawacko said:
The first is Prop 103 which was passed by voters in 1988 to regulate insurance rates. It basically said the gov't has to approve any increase in insurance premiums. It was sold as being pro consumer. What it did however was keep rates artificially low and didn't allow insurance companies to effectively price in risk. One of the big results being homes were built in high risk areas that if market pricing mechanisms were in place would have made it extremely costly to build. It's the reason so many insurance firms have started to stop writing policies in California or pull out all together. But you don't you don't get elected in California saying we need insurance costs to rise so we just turned a blind eye essentially until it was too late.
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Price controls never work. They always cause shortages. That's why fire insurers left, resulting in a shortage of fire insurance. The government will welch on their fire insurance too. The SDTC is already broke.
cawacko said:
And preparedness is a whole other long discussion.
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No. It IS the discussion.
cawacko said:
Our approach to climate change has been going after oil companies and trying to subsidize EV purchases etc.
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Climate cannot change. Fascism and price controls don't work.
cawacko said:
But that's not going to deindustrialize the planet and change anything locally.
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It already did change things locally. Locally is the problem. The only place to point the finger is to king Newsom and the government of the SDTC.
cawacko said:
Instead we could have recognized that the climate is changing
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Climate cannot change. Climate has no temperature or precipitation.
cawacko said:
and put in more safety measures to deal with it. (again, can get far more into the weeds on that). But we didn't.
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Removing reservoirs and power generating systems wasn't a good idea, was it?
Allowing and even supporting arsonists to start fires isn't a good idea, is it?
Allowing open crime and looting (including the looting that followed the victims of the fire) isn't a good idea, is it?
Not clearing the brush anymore wasn't a good idea, was it?
cawacko said:
It's always easy to Monday morning quarterback on certain things but the insurance issue and preparedness have been discussed for quite awhile in the state. This didn't sneak up on us.
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No, it didn't. But the harsh reality of what you have done to yourself apparently did.

The horrific results are, unfortunately, self inflicted.
 
Diogenes said:
I doubt the Democrats will pay a political price as a party.
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They already are.
Diogenes said:
Bass might get tossed under the bus.

Newsom is presidential timber to the left. I'll be surprised if he doesn't run for POTUS in 2028 with significant support. He may lose in the primary to a woman of colour or other "victim" class candidate, but this debacle won't kill his appeal, IMO.
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It already is.
 
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