Lead by example...

Onceler said:
That's pathetic. He was asking others to get in harm's way; he did not. As CIC, he participated in his military role the same way that Obama is participating in his taxpayer role.

You're really grasping at straws. And failing.
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Yes, and he is asking others to do what he will not commit to himself. There is where the hypocrisy lies.
 
Damocles said:
Yes, and he is asking others to do what he will not commit to himself. There is where the hypocrisy lies.
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No, he is clearly not asking other to pay more than the law requires.

Its very simple and your ODS is not allowing you to see clearly.
 
Onceler said:
Does it give you comfort to just go back to your original line, and ignore everything that was said since?
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It is a sign that we have come full circle and your arguments did not change the reality. I understand that it is your position that one can lead by example by insisting that everybody must do what they will not set an example to do, but in reality it is quite literally the opposite of what leading by example means and is a form of hypocrisy.

We can start all over, you can try to make an argument that insisting that others do what you will not to be something other than hypocrisy and I'll continue to point out that it is.
 
I wonder if Paul Ryan has refused to accept his government paid for health care plan?

Or Marco Rubio? What about Romney, did he accept government paid for health care when he was governor?
 
Damocles said:
It is a sign that we have come full circle and your arguments did not change the reality. I understand that it is your position that one can lead by example by insisting that everybody must do what they will not set an example to do, but in reality it is quite literally the opposite of what leading by example means and is a form of hypocrisy.

We can start all over, you can try to make an argument that insisting that others do what you will not to be something other than hypocrisy and I'll continue to point out that it is.
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But he isn't insisting that others do what he will not do.
 
Damocles said:
It is a sign that we have come full circle and your arguments did not change the reality. I understand that it is your position that one can lead by example by insisting that everybody must do what they will not set an example to do, but in reality it is quite literally the opposite of what leading by example means and is a form of hypocrisy.

We can start all over, you can try to make an argument that insisting that others do what you will not to be something other than hypocrisy and I'll continue to point out that it is.
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My arguments did not change your reality, because you plugged up your ears and chanted "Obama is bad! Obama is bad!" over & over again.
 
Onceler said:
My arguments did not change your reality, because you plugged up your ears and chanted "Obama is bad! Obama is bad!" over & over again.
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Get used to it, they will keep that up till November, then if he wins reelection it will be impeachment time.
 
Onceler said:
Does it give you comfort to just go back to your original line, and ignore everything that was said since?
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No. This is where you are lying. He is asking that the policy be changed. He is not asking others to voluntarily pay more.
 
Damocles said:
It is a sign that we have come full circle and your arguments did not change the reality. I understand that it is your position that one can lead by example by insisting that everybody must do what they will not set an example to do, but in reality it is quite literally the opposite of what leading by example means and is a form of hypocrisy.

We can start all over, you can try to make an argument that insisting that others do what you will not to be something other than hypocrisy and I'll continue to point out that it is.
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Again, no, you will be insisting that it is.
 
Jarod said:
I wonder if Paul Ryan has refused to accept his government paid for health care plan?

Or Marco Rubio? What about Romney, did he accept government paid for health care when he was governor?
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I wonder as well.

Do you think that a person who passed a state enforced personal mandate would be a hypocrite for taking health care?
 
Damocles said:
I wonder as well.

Do you think that a person who passed a state enforced personal mandate would be a hypocrite for taking health care?
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No, I belvie you follow the rules as they currently exist, even if you are trying to change them.
 
Onceler said:
So, Bush SHOULD have gone to Iraq w/ a musket before ordering the troops there, because he thought it was right.

You are still missing 2 things, completely, by a wide margin: the difference between collective action & individual action, and the fact that paying a higher tax individually is not in & of itself a "good."
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so it is the CIC's job to take a musket in hand in order to be the CIC?

LOL...
 
Rune said:
Tell us Damo, how much extra did you send to the treasury, earmarked to pay down the deficit? It is good to pay down the deficit isn't it? So sending in extra money is the "right" thing to do, right? Are you a hypocrite if you didn't pay extra? How about the fact that you are demanding that Obama should have paid extra but you are unwilling to do so? I guess (using your logic) that makes you a hypocrite. Since you are hypocritcal about tax issues, you really should keep your opinions about others to yourself.
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why are you such a retard? is damo telling people that he and others should pay more taxes?
 
Yurt said:
so it is the CIC's job to take a musket in hand in order to be the CIC?

LOL...
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And where did I say that?

It is Bush's job to go and fight if that's what he's going to ask others to do, in order to avoid being labeled a hypocrite by Damo.

You & that reading thing....
 
Jarod said:
Is it the presidents job to pay extra taxes if he is advocating a tax hike?
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you're talking about two different things. one is his role as CIC, the other is his personal responsibility. that you would even try to equivocate the two is sad. if i tell people that i should pay more taxes and don't...that is not leading and is hypocritical.
 
Onceler said:
And where did I say that?

It is Bush's job to go and fight if that's what he's going to ask others to do, in order to avoid being labeled a hypocrite by Damo.

You & that reading thing....
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damo never said that. you and that reading thing. you said it, not damo. you're confused about a CIC's duty and a personal responsibility.
 
Yurt said:
damo never said that. you and that reading thing. you said it, not damo. you're confused about a CIC's duty and a personal responsibility.
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It doesn't matter what his role as "CIC" is; that's completely irrelevant.

He mandated that people get in harm's way, and he didn't. Personally, I don't hold him to that standard, so I didn't expect him to. But you and Damo are trying to shift your main argument, which was that Obama wants to mandate something specific, and isn't doing it personally.

Bush's mandate had nothing to do with duties as CIC - it's about what he's asking/mandating that others do.
 
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