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Damo's words, Yurtsie - it's about asking others to do something which you do not do. That's all it is. Has nothing to do w/ the "CIC" red herring.

You and Damo brought that up because you know you cornered yourselves. At least he had the good sense to bail - you just look like a fool...

I didn't bring up the CIC analogy.

You're really an idiot.

How? I didn't deny bringing up Bush w/ a musket. As I've said quite a few times, it is irrelevant to him being CIC.

Damo said it's hypocritical to ask others to do something you're not willing to do yourself, and first - period. What about that is rocket science for you?

You're really such a dope....

you didn't deny it? LOL....it is right there in black and white. you claimed damo and i brought it up. and you flat out said you didn't bring it up. seriously, how can you deny something you said an hour ago? that is pathological.

 

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Here's Damo's line once again - just for some help:

"If you are unwilling to do what you believe should be the action of others, you are literally participating in hypocrisy."

So, w/ Bush, that somehow becomes "putting in harm's way" for "action of others," but "assembling a coalition" for Bush, because he's CIC, or something to that effect.

You guys should really quit while you're waaaaaay behind....

no onceler, you should quit. you admitted your analogy is red herring, yet, you are still trotting it out. this is embarrassing. i feel really bad for you. i don't if you are really senile or just pathological.

 

[Onceler]

you didn't deny it? LOL....it is right there in black and white. you claimed damo and i brought it up. and you flat out said you didn't bring it up. seriously, how can you deny something you said an hour ago? that is pathological.

Um...Yurt? You & Damo started w/ all of the "CIC" nonsense. My comment about Bush & the musket was just a response to Damo's line - Bush as a man, asking others to do something he would not. That's it. I went out of my way a few times to question why both of you brought "CIC" into the mix.

Man, how tiring. You are dumb as a box o' rocks....

 

[Onceler]

no onceler, you should quit. you admitted your analogy is red herring, yet, you are still trotting it out. this is embarrassing. i feel really bad for you. i don't if you are really senile or just pathological.

I didn't admit my analogy was a red herring. I said that you & Damo bringing Bush's role as CIC into the mix was a red herring - as in it's okay if he asks others to get in harm's way, and he's somehow "leading" by not doing that, as long as he's acting in his role as "CIC."

It's not what Damo said about leadership & hypocrisy. He was very specific, and I can't get over how idiotic & stubborn both of you are on this. It is mind-boggling.

 

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I didn't admit my analogy was a red herring. I said that you & Damo bringing Bush's role as CIC into the mix was a red herring - as in it's okay if he asks others to get in harm's way, and he's somehow "leading" by not doing that, as long as he's acting in his role as "CIC."

It's not what Damo said about leadership & hypocrisy. He was very specific, and I can't get over how idiotic & stubborn both of you are on this. It is mind-boggling.

I can't believe you think that simply repeating that is actually argument, especially after you tried to accuse me of exactly that. Now I know why even such simple examples of hypocrisy escape you.

 

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I didn't admit my analogy was a red herring. I said that you & Damo bringing Bush's role as CIC into the mix was a red herring - as in it's okay if he asks others to get in harm's way, and he's somehow "leading" by not doing that, as long as he's acting in his role as "CIC."

It's not what Damo said about leadership & hypocrisy. He was very specific, and I can't get over how idiotic & stubborn both of you are on this. It is mind-boggling.

once again...we, at least i did not, bring bush into the picture. i looked at the thread and YOU brought it up. you even said it is YOUR analogy. like i aid before, cite where damo brought it up. you are flat out lying that i did. further, there is a post right before the one i linked to where you said it was your analog... that damo said he didn't bring it up.

no one brought bush up except you onceler. stop the denial and come back to reality.

 

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Um...Yurt? You & Damo started w/ all of the "CIC" nonsense. My comment about Bush & the musket was just a response to Damo's line - Bush as a man, asking others to do something he would not. That's it. I went out of my way a few times to question why both of you brought "CIC" into the mix.

Man, how tiring. You are dumb as a box o' rocks....

good lord, you are such a liar. cite where damo or i brought it up. the only time i even referred to bush was in direct response to you.

i guess when you lose the argument, pull out the old boring onceler lies and start making stuff up about the other person. i showed where you brought it up, you haven't showed shinola where we supposedly brought it up.

 

[Onceler]

I can't believe you think that simply repeating that is actually argument, especially after you tried to accuse me of exactly that. Now I know why even such simple examples of hypocrisy escape you.

Congrats, Damo - you didn't use "childlike". Nice goin'.

Not sure what you're talking about though; your words on this thread are pretty specific. If someone doesn't specifically do what they're asking others to do, they're a hypocrite. Which doesn't, btw, mean that if Bush asked people to get in harm's way, he's not a hypocrite because he "assembled a coalition." Assembling a coalition & getting in harm's way are 2 different actions.

Were you aware of that, or do you think they're the same action?

 

[Onceler]

Not equivalent, he serves in the military already, as the CIC. I only state childlike because it is. Your attempt to spin out of a simple hypocritical moment has been extremely childlike.

If it is "right" then act, lead people to believe the same thing by proving the right through action.

He has spent many years telling me about how it isn't "fair", then does exactly what he says is "wrong" for others all while attempting to make other people do what he believes is "right". That is hypocrisy.

Here you go, Yurt - 1st mention of CIC on the thread, courtesy of Damo.

Now, go away & let the grown ups chat for awhile...

 

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Here you go, Yurt - 1st mention of CIC on the thread, courtesy of Damo.

Now, go away & let the grown ups chat for awhile...

nope..nice try liar...your post 56 (which grown ups know come before post 222)

I've got my own issues with Obama, so I'm not beholden to him like some of you guys are to various politicians. I just don't see the need to make hay where none exists. Him upping his own tax rate (which would probably mean he'd give less to charity) is just symbolic BS. On a philisophical level, it's very much the same thing as a lot of what BDSers leveled at Bush and other politicians during Iraq, despite the dismissals of that inconvenient analogy by yourself and your intellectually-challenged little ally here....

oooops and wouldn't you know it, another one

So, Bush SHOULD have gone to Iraq w/ a musket before ordering the troops there, because he thought it was right.

You are still missing 2 things, completely, by a wide margin: the difference between collective action & individual action, and the fact that paying a higher tax individually is not in & of itself a "good."

 

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Congrats, Damo - you didn't use "childlike". Nice goin'.

Not sure what you're talking about though; your words on this thread are pretty specific. If someone doesn't specifically do what they're asking others to do, they're a hypocrite. Which doesn't, btw, mean that if Bush asked people to get in harm's way, he's not a hypocrite because he "assembled a coalition." Assembling a coalition & getting in harm's way are 2 different actions.

Were you aware of that, or do you think they're the same action?

congrats onceler, you didn't say dopey

 

[Onceler]

nope..nice try liar...your post 56 (which grown ups know come before post 222)




oooops and wouldn't you know it, another one

Man, you're desperate. What are you talking about?

My "red herring" comment was specifically directed at Damo's idiocy of saying that Bush was "leading" and not being a hypocrite, according to his definition of that, by fulfilling his role of CIC, even though he was asking others into harm's way. That's why the actual use of "CIC" is important here, Yurt.

This is unsurprising; you have been reading it incorrectly since it was brought up, though I have tried about a dozen or so times to explain it to you. You really are a stupid person.

 

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Man, you're desperate. What are you talking about?

My "red herring" comment was specifically directed at Damo's idiocy of saying that Bush was "leading" and not being a hypocrite, according to his definition of that, by fulfilling his role of CIC, even though he was asking others into harm's way. That's why the actual use of "CIC" is important here, Yurt.

This is unsurprising; you have been reading it incorrectly since it was brought up, though I have tried about a dozen or so times to explain it to you. You really are a stupid person.

you are truly senile or pathological. i gave you the first post when the CIC analogy was first brought up...post 56. you also claimed that damo's post 222 was the "first" mention of it, yet the second link i gave was to your post 207.

reality - your post 56 brought up the whole bush iraq analogy thingy...and when you got called on it by several posters, you dug your heels and as i showed above, you even claimed it was YOUR analogy.

but somehow, damo's post 222 is the "first" post of the issue in the thread. no onceler, i'm not stupid, you, however, clearly are. you can't even count simple post numbers.

 

[Onceler]

you are truly senile or pathological. i gave you the first post the CIC analogy was first brought up...post 56. you also claimed that damo's post 222 was the "first" mention of it, yet the second link i gave was to your post 207.

reality - your post 56 brought up the whole bush iraq analogy thingy...and when you got called on it by several posters, you dug your heels and as i showed above, you even claimed it was YOUR analogy.

but somehow, damo's post 222 is the "first" post of the issue in the thread. no onceler, i'm not stupid, you, however, clearly are. you can't even count simple post numbers.

So, you STILL didn't get it?

My analogy is not a "CIC" analogy, Yurt. That is what you have run w/ and sidetracked this discussion w/ for a few pages now. It's specifically to do w/ what Damo said about hypocrisy - words which you said I twisted, but which you cannot address, even though I have re-posted them multiple times. I wasn't speaking of "Bush in his role as CIC"....Damo brought that up, which is why I said it was a red herring (because it is).

But, you come in here beating your chest & doing your usual predictable song & dance, dredging up post after post to try to parse something that has nothing to do with what either Damo or I are talking about, desperately hoping for a "gotcha" because the actual conversation is way over your head.

Good gollly, miss molly, but it is an exhausting endeavor trying to actually discuss something w/ another poster without you doing that song & dance. It is such a waste of time. And yes, Yurt - you are an idiot.

 

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onceler, you're insane. you brought up the whole analogy in post 56. every single discussion about the CIC, muskets etc....all derive from post 56. your post. but whatever, you're clearly embarrassed by being proven wrong again and are now just acting petulant, stomping your feet in the hopes no one notices your lies and mistakes. seriously, claiming post 222 was the first post when just a few posts before that you are talking about it. come on onceler...stop this nonsense.

carry on.

 

[Onceler]

Just to get things back on track, before that exhausting sidetrack. Damo's assertion is as follows:

If you are unwilling to do what you believe should be the action of others, you are literally participating in hypocrisy.

It couldn't be more simple. If Bush was asking others to get in harm's way, he should have to, or he's a hypocrite (Damo's definition - not mine).

 

[Onceler]

onceler, you're insane. you brought up the whole analogy in post 56. every single discussion about the CIC, muskets etc....all derive from post 56. your post. but whatever, you're clearly embarrassed by being proven wrong again and are now just acting petulant, stomping your feet in the hopes no one notices your lies and mistakes. seriously, claiming post 222 was the first post when just a few posts before that you are talking about it. come on onceler...stop this nonsense.

carry on.

No, Yurt - you've been an idiot. Damo brought up Bush in the CIC role as a legit example of his "leading" (ergo, no hypocrisy), and that is what I was talking about the whole time.

Your brain is just limited. I try not to blame you or judge you for that.

 

[Jarod]

Damo said... "If you are unwilling to do what you believe should be the action of others, you are literally participating in hypocrisy."

Again I ask, where did the President suggest or say that he belived people should pay more into the treasury than the law requires?

 

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Presidents Regan, Bush I, and Bush II called for reduced spending, yet they collected there salary from the government. Was that a lack in leadership?

 

[Rune]

According to Damocles, it most certainly was.