OK. So how exactly would the private sector be involved in the "marriage business?" The secular institution of marriage is a government-created relationship from which all manner of rights, obligations and benefits flow. It's not a park.
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OK. So how exactly would the private sector be involved in the "marriage business?" The secular institution of marriage is a government-created relationship from which all manner of rights, obligations and benefits flow. It's not a park.
It isn't, except where states try to do things that violate the Constitution, like prohibit interracial marriage.
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The private sector in this case is the church that performed the ceremony. (Last I looked, churches were still private.)
People who are not married should be treated the same as married folk. There shouldn't be special privileges for anyone.
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It is though. Look at IRS Form 1040, "Filing Status". And there are all kinds of laws where marriage is mentioned.
Last I looked churches were still performing marriages. But what exactly do you expect churches to do with respect to your tax filing status? That's the part that I don't understand.
Why not though? I mean, marriage is a unique relationship that, over time, has developed into a conventient and pre-packaged bundle of rights, obligations and benefits that people can sign up for if they wish. Why should we just get rid of it?
So by involved, you mean to give legal recognition to the state institution? OK. Well, yes, I suppose the federal government is "involved" by that ridiculous standard.
??? Who said they dictate the bounds of government?
The courts are part of the government and so long as they rule on issues involving marriage and their rulings are enforced by the state, the state is involved in marriage. If you are not an anarchist, then you are just using this to support the status quo of marriage inequality and obscure the fact that that is what you really want.
You said...
Now you are arguing that only legislation by the Federal government should be removed from your personal relationship? Then I guess you were opposed to DOMA? No, you are just another unprincipled conservative twisting and turning to find some justification for your big government beliefs.
You are full of shit. You don't want the government (State or Federal) out of marriage. You want them to continue using it as a tool to discriminate against certain classes.
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Over time, government has evolved into an overblown bundle of special privileges, obligations and benefits. We should get rid of it.
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Millions who relay on special benefits don't find it ridiculous.
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Those would be the same religious wacks who opposed slavery while you Democrats fought for it?
I suppose abolition counts as legislating morality.
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Sorry, but you don't get to state what my position is. That is my privilege, alone.
We are arguing about FedCo here. A particular state's licensing laws is a very different issue.
Well, now we're just going in circles. Frankly, it seems to me that you have no idea what you want (the federal government to not recognize the state institution of marriage, the elimination of the state institution, etc . . .). When you figure it out and why, let's chat.
No, we were not arguing about FedCo. You are just trying to move the goal posts. You said...
That's what happens when your views are based on nothing but irrational nonsense or you try to obscure your true principles. You want the government involved in marriage. You just don't want the Bill of Rights or the 14th amendment involved.
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Kind of like rich people who say the government should tax them more, yet they don't voluntarily pay more in taxes...
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My "goal posts" have been consistent for decades.
Again, you don't get to state what my position is. That is my privilege, alone.
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kind of like SF can read edits...
Again, YOU said...
Nothing in there about FedCo. Now you are arguing that only the Federal government should stay out of it.
What was your position on DOMA or the Republican attempts for a federal marriage amendment? There is nothing consistent about the positions of the right wing on this topic. They are just scrambling to find some way to stop the spread of civil liberties to all and to preserve the power of government.