Lesser Evil? Obama More Likely to Attack Iran than Romney

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The Force is With Me
Most likely to attack Iran - excerpt

"Barack Obama is the one who’s more likely to confront Iran militarily, should sanctions and negotiations fail. He has committed himself to stopping Iran by any means necessary, and he has a three-year record as president to back his rhetoric. Romney has only rhetoric, and he would be hamstrung in many ways if he chose military confrontation.

He goes on to argue that despite the GOP challenger’s Tough rhetoric, “Romney would face several critical challenges in a conflict with Iran that Obama would not”; specifically:

Romney, by all accounts, is uninterested in inheriting the mantle of President George W. Bush, who invaded two Muslim countries and lost popularity and credibility as a result. Romney, despite his rhetoric, is more of a pragmatist than Bush, and far more cautious. An attack on Iran is an incautious act, one that even Bush rejected.

The unilateral use of force in the Middle East for a liberal Democrat like Obama is a credential; for a conservative Republican like Romney, it could be an albatross. I argued in a previous column that Romney is more likely than Obama to oversee a revitalized Middle East peace process. That’s because conservatives are better positioned to make peace; liberals are generally better positioned to launch preventive strikes at the nuclear programs of rogue nations. We know that U.S. voters, and world leaders, allow Obama extraordinary leeway when it comes to deadly drone strikes, precisely because of his politics, character and background. (We are talking about a man, after all, who won the Nobel Peace Prize while ordering the automated killing of suspected Muslim terrorists around the world.) Romney will get no comparative slack.

In other words, Obama will be freer to attack Iran than Romney would be because Democrats, progressives, and the “international community” (that’s neocon for: Europeans) passively accept or even cheer for violence, aggression and executive power abuses when ordered by a sophisticated, urbane, Constitutional Law Professor with Good Progressivism in his heart, and only cause a messy ruckus when done by an icky, religious, overtly nationalistic Republican.
http://www.salon.com/2012/07/27/most_likely_to_attack_iran/

A glaring and undeniable truth.

So much for "lesser evil."
 
I don't know what gives w/ Obama on foreign policy.

I don't even think the '08 Obama would know what gives w/ him now. There is stuff that is going on that we just don't know about it. Like, once you're sworn in, they take you to a basement room in the WH, and explain how the corporations make all of the decisions, and you're just a figurehead, and we'll give you a few mill for allowing that to happen and doing your best to rationalize to the public why you've changed your stances.

Something like that.
 
Your logic would apply to any sitting President.

Then you'd agree there is no such thing as "lesser evil."

Obama is more likely because if he does it, there will be no outrage, no Bush-era like protests, not a peep coming from democrats .. and that is what makes it different.

Republicans have never met a war they didn't like. It is democrats who have been the traditional voices against mindless wars for profit.

Where is the difference?

The magic trick only works on democrats.
 
Romney is every bit as likely to wage war with Iran. He makes a point of repeating how 'unacceptable' it is for Iran to have nukes, and he's already stacking his cabinet with advisors Dubya had as well as former PNAC hawks.

The main difference between Romney and Obama is that Romney's a sociopath. Their foreign policies would be barely distinguishable.
 
Romney is every bit as likely to wage war with Iran. He makes a point of repeating how 'unacceptable' it is for Iran to have nukes, and he's already stacking his cabinet with advisors Dubya had as well as former PNAC hawks.

The main difference between Romney and Obama is that Romney's a sociopath. Their foreign policies would be barely distinguishable.

BAC's kind of right, though. Obama is a bit more "enabled" because many who would protest a war under a Republican would likely stay quiet w/ Obama.

Though, frankly, I don't know how much politicians really care about that.
 
BAC's kind of right, though. Obama is a bit more "enabled" because many who would protest a war under a Republican would likely stay quiet w/ Obama.

Though, frankly, I don't know how much politicians really care about that.

They don't. That's why it doesn't matter if the anti-war crowd stays mum when Obama drones the Middle East, or that they raged in the streets when Bush/Cheney began shocking/awe'ing Iraq. The fuckers are going to do whatever they please. They don't answer to us. BOTH sides of the duopoly answers to their corporate masters.
 
Don't most/all politicians sound/are better as candidates than once in office? Obama happened to be an exceptional candidate who (understandably) had a lot of people thinking he was different.
 
Romney is every bit as likely to wage war with Iran. He makes a point of repeating how 'unacceptable' it is for Iran to have nukes, and he's already stacking his cabinet with advisors Dubya had as well as former PNAC hawks.

The main difference between Romney and Obama is that Romney's a sociopath. Their foreign policies would be barely distinguishable.

You also make the point that there is no such thing as lesser evil.
 
You also make the point that there is no such thing as lesser evil.

You know where I stand, BAC. How long have I been pointing out that the only difference between Republicans and Democrats is that the Democrats feel bad about selling their souls while the Republicans are proud of selling theirs?
 
Hey cawacko, you survived China?

Haha, so far. Thanks for asking. 12:30 at night here. I'm drunk posting. About to go to bed. Two more days here. Great experience. Still can't believe the government here censors/blocks Facebook/Twitter/YouTube. Crazy.
 
They don't. That's why it doesn't matter if the anti-war crowd stays mum when Obama drones the Middle East, or that they raged in the streets when Bush/Cheney began shocking/awe'ing Iraq. The fuckers are going to do whatever they please. They don't answer to us. BOTH sides of the duopoly answers to their corporate masters.

With that understanding, then we should all understand that there is a method, a cunning to what they do.

It is not in the best interests of the MIC or our corporate masters to have Americans screaming and protesting about their wars for profit.

Conscious and principled Americans are in in the best interests of the plutocracy.

Thus, with Obama at the helm of the attack on planet earth, the plutocracy can assure themselves that Americans will continue to assume the posture of sheep and entertain themselves with attacking and slaughtering each other.
 
You know where I stand, BAC. How long have I been pointing out that the only difference between Republicans and Democrats is that the Democrats feel bad about selling their souls while the Republicans are proud of selling theirs?

Very well said.
 
With that understanding, then understand that there is a method, a cunning to what they do.

It is not in the best interests of the MIC or our corporate masters to have Americans screaming and protesting about their wars for profit.

Conscious and principled Americans are in in the best interests of the plutocracy.

Thus, with Obama at the helm of the attack on planet earth, the plutocracy can assure themselves that Americans will continue to assume the posture of sheep and entertain themselves with attacking and slaughtering each other.

aka BIZ as usual.
 
A real democracy is what an informed citizenry gets. That's not who we are.

More sad truth.

We will never have a real voice in the direction of this country and the futures of our children by contining doing the same failed things over and over and pretending that voting for president makes a difference.
 
More sad truth.

We will never have a real voice in the direction of this country and the futures of our children by contining doing the same failed things over and over and pretending that voting for president makes a difference.

Nope, we won't. We've managed to squander what little power we had and are now left with voting for one of whomever's already been approved by the plutocrats. The game's rigged to ensure that all candidates will carry that water first and foremost. Until a wave of awareness strikes the majority, any real representation of the People from the outside won't make any meaningful dent. The game's rigged - but people keep playing, anyway.
 
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