Lets actually LOOK at hillarys healthcare plan before spouting lies.

Robdawg

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Hillary's American Health Choices Plan covers all Americans and improves health care by lowering costs and improving quality. It speaks to American values, American families, and American jobs.

It puts the consumer in the driver's seat by offering more choices and lowering costs. If you're one of the tens of million Americans without coverage or if you don't like the coverage you have, you will have a choice of plans to pick from and that coverage will be affordable. Of course, if you like the plan you have, you can keep it.



Affordable: Unlike the current health system where insurance premiums send people into bankruptcy, the plan provides tax credits for working families to help them cover their costs. The tax credits will ensure that working families never have to pay more than a limited percentage of their income for health care.

Available: No discrimination. The insurance companies can't deny you coverage if you have a pre-existing condition.

Reliable: It's portable. If you change or lose your job, you keep your health care.



If you have a plan you like, you keep it. If you want to change plans or aren't currently covered, you can choose from dozens of the same plans available to members of Congress, or you can opt into a public plan option like Medicare. And working families will get tax credits to help pay their premiums.


Small businesses are the engine of new job growth in the U.S. economy but face bigger challenges when it comes to providing health care for their employees. Hillary would give tax credits to small businesses that provide health care to their workers to help defray their coverage costs. This will make small businesses more competitive and help create good jobs with health benefits that will stay here in the US.
 
Tell me Rob... where does the money come from to pay for those credits?

How does her plan lower costs?

How does her plan improve quality?

Just saying that it does.... doesn't make it so.
 
Tell me Rob... where does the money come from to pay for those credits?

How does her plan lower costs?

How does her plan improve quality?

Just saying that it does.... doesn't make it so.

do you have a problem paying for children and babies healthcare for the parents who have kids but can't afford it?
 
do you have a problem paying for children and babies healthcare for the parents who have kids but can't afford it?

No, but I do have a problem paying for healthcare for families that CAN afford it but choose to instead buy more house/car than they can afford.

But you neglected to answer my questions....

HOW does her plan "improve quality?

HOW does Hitlarys plan reduce costs? and

HOW is she going to PAY for her plan????

You said not to judge her plan until we knew more about it, but then fail to be able to produce any evidence to suggest her plan is anything more than rhetoric. Show us HOW she can improve quality, reduce costs and HOW she plans to pay for this.... rather than spouting off the first crap that pops in your head.
 
There is no details. All you will get is that you want to kill babies if you don't support it.

I like idea of penalizing those who choose not to participate or buy health care when they can afford it. This reduces the number of those who really need govmt help significantly.

For example. You make 50K a year and choose not to get healthcare. You loose your personal tax exemption.

You are unemployed and disabled. or work for min wage. you get free healthcare.

We have all the details in the IRS. easy.
 
There is no details. All you will get is that you want to kill babies if you don't support it.

I like idea of penalizing those who choose not to participate or buy health care when they can afford it. This reduces the number of those who really need govmt help significantly.

For example. You make 50K a year and choose not to get healthcare. You loose your personal tax exemption.

You are unemployed and disabled. or work for min wage. you get free healthcare.

We have all the details in the IRS. easy.


To an extent I agree. As long as you include HSA accounts and the corresponding catastrophic care as one of the "acceptable" plans, then I too have no problem eliminating the personal exemption for those who choose to have NO healthcare coverage.
 
Hillary's American Health Choices Plan covers all Americans and improves health care by lowering costs and improving quality. It speaks to American values, American families, and American jobs.

It puts the consumer in the driver's seat by offering more choices and lowering costs. If you're one of the tens of million Americans without coverage or if you don't like the coverage you have, you will have a choice of plans to pick from and that coverage will be affordable. Of course, if you like the plan you have, you can keep it.



Affordable: Unlike the current health system where insurance premiums send people into bankruptcy, the plan provides tax credits for working families to help them cover their costs. The tax credits will ensure that working families never have to pay more than a limited percentage of their income for health care.

Available: No discrimination. The insurance companies can't deny you coverage if you have a pre-existing condition.

Reliable: It's portable. If you change or lose your job, you keep your health care.



If you have a plan you like, you keep it. If you want to change plans or aren't currently covered, you can choose from dozens of the same plans available to members of Congress, or you can opt into a public plan option like Medicare. And working families will get tax credits to help pay their premiums.


Small businesses are the engine of new job growth in the U.S. economy but face bigger challenges when it comes to providing health care for their employees. Hillary would give tax credits to small businesses that provide health care to their workers to help defray their coverage costs. This will make small businesses more competitive and help create good jobs with health benefits that will stay here in the US.


According to several California papers Hillary's plan is very similar to Arnold's plan and Arnold's is probably dead as it is being attacked from both left and right. The union's and their allies came out hard against it last week. Will be itneresting to see if they take the same tact against Hillary.
 
According to several California papers Hillary's plan is very similar to Arnold's plan and Arnold's is probably dead as it is being attacked from both left and right. The union's and their allies came out hard against it last week. Will be itneresting to see if they take the same tact against Hillary.

Not until after she is elected President (which at this time seems the likely outcome)
 
Not necessarially, but if you pay cash the price for the same procedure is about 25% higher than they would bill the insurance company for.

That's interesting. I don't think there's a similar situation here, but that give me pause for thought.
 
Yes interesting, and I am not really sure what it means...
Well The marority of the people without insurance are the poor and about 2/3 of the lower to middle working class...
So why would they bill you more for paying cash than they would bill the insurance company for the same procedure ??
 
Yes interesting, and I am not really sure what it means...
Well The marority of the people without insurance are the poor and about 2/3 of the lower to middle working class...
So why would they bill you more for paying cash than they would bill the insurance company for the same procedure ??
Because the insurance companies act a bit like a union and negotiate lower prices. However, you can join self-insured groups that do the same. You can pay and get the same prices that would be charged to the insured...

Of course, that option really is solely for those who can self-insure. There is some set amount you need to prove you have before you can join those types of things.

Now, if you can afford the best you will get the best.
 
Yes interesting, and I am not really sure what it means...
Well The marority of the people without insurance are the poor and about 2/3 of the lower to middle working class...
So why would they bill you more for paying cash than they would bill the insurance company for the same procedure ??

Actually, it is the opposite in most parts of the country. Are you sure you have that straight? The reason most doctors prefer cash and thus accept lower rates for those paying in cash is that they don't have to sort through the red tape and mounds of paperwork from the insurance companies.
 
Actually, it is the opposite in most parts of the country. Are you sure you have that straight? The reason most doctors prefer cash and thus accept lower rates for those paying in cash is that they don't have to sort through the red tape and mounds of paperwork from the insurance companies.
He's talking about hospitals. Hospitals charge a premium for those who have no insurance, unless they are part of one of those groups I was talking about.

Doctors in private practice usually give a cost reduction for those who can simply pay.
 
He's talking about hospitals. Hospitals charge a premium for those who have no insurance, unless they are part of one of those groups I was talking about.

Doctors in private practice usually give a cost reduction for those who can simply pay.

Oh, I guess it has been a while since I was in a hospital. But I thought they did the same thing for those who pay cash, for the same reason. Maybe they charge more for those who do not pay cash at the time of the service? Or maybe I simply am disconnected from what hospitals are doing these days.
 
Oh, I guess it has been a while since I was in a hospital. But I thought they did the same thing for those who pay cash, for the same reason. Maybe they charge more for those who do not pay cash at the time of the service? Or maybe I simply am disconnected from what hospitals are doing these days.
No, it is as I said. Insurance companies negotiate lower prices and gaurantee supply. They list certain hospitals that are "covered" and if you go to others you get charged those premium prices over what you would have paid at the "covered" hospitals.
 
Because the insurance companies act a bit like a union and negotiate lower prices. However, you can join self-insured groups that do the same. You can pay and get the same prices that would be charged to the insured...

Of course, that option really is solely for those who can self-insure. There is some set amount you need to prove you have before you can join those types of things.

Now, if you can afford the best you will get the best.

Umm since there are no rankings among health care providers in the health care industry, How do you know you are getting the best ?
 
Umm since there are no rankings among health care providers in the health care industry, How do you know you are getting the best ?
There are listings of statistical survival rates for surgeries in certain hospitals, where you can find the best care for breathing issues (a Jewish Hospital here in Denver tops that list), etc.

That you haven't read those lists says that you don't likely get medical magazines, it doesn't say that they don't exist.
 
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