Let's remember how we got here

Dutch Uncle said:
Nothing. It's a combination of Top seeking attention and the use of whataboutism to justify Trump going to war against Iran.
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Projection

The process of displacing one’s feelings onto a different person, animal, or object. The term is most commonly used to describe defensive projection—attributing one’s own unacceptable urges to another.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Called it. After years of screaming the Left are warmongers and being against "forever wars", the MAGAt flip-flop only took one day.
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Projection

The process of displacing one’s feelings onto a different person, animal, or object. The term is most commonly used to describe defensive projection—attributing one’s own unacceptable urges to another.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Thanks for agreeing that what Obama did was A-Okay, Ms. Fat Lame. :thup:

If what Obama did was okay, then what Trump did is okay too, amirite?
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Dutch Uncle said:
MAGAts hate Obama so much they even cheer Jihadist terrorists in attacking Americans. Sad.

IMO, people like Ms. Fat Lame are traitors and anti-American.
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Projection

The process of displacing one’s feelings onto a different person, animal, or object. The term is most commonly used to describe defensive projection—attributing one’s own unacceptable urges to another.

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T. A. Gardner said:
A parallel can be drawn between how Iran has been handling their nuke program and how N. Korea did theirs. The N. Koreans got more and direct help setting theirs up from the Soviet Union where Iran has been largely doing it on their own with only some indirect help from countries like N. Korea, Russia (the Soviet Union), and China.

When the N. Koreans started their program, and it became obvious they were working towards a nuke, the US (Clinton as President) tried the bribe a tyrant approach to stopping them. That resulted in their taking the monetary bribes and camouflaging their program far better while making a few overt moves to show apparent compliance. From there, they continued to move towards a nuke steadily, if more slowly, as they had to keep their program hidden. All the while, they promised, vowed, and proclaimed, they weren't trying to make a nuclear bomb.

Once they had either a weapon imminently available or actually had one, they withdrew from the NPT, tested a bomb, and announced they were a nuclear power. More bribes to tyrants followed with more promises by N. Korea to shut down their program. More bomb tests followed, and N. Korea showed they had a number of nuclear weapons available for use.

That was followed by more bribes to tyrants and more empty promises from N. Korea, and that's where we are today. At least N. Korea is smart enough to see nukes as a deterrent that allows the Kim Jong dynasty to rule over N. Korea in perpetuity.

Iran is following the same pattern likely to the same result. Blowing the living fuck out of their nuclear program may not stop them from getting a nuke but it definitely will slow them down. Bribes to tyrants doesn't work, and anything the tyrant(s) tell you is nothing but a goddamned lie. I'm also not so sure that the ayatollahs are only intent on consolidating their power. Religious fanatics, like them, often want to convert everyone else or die trying, meaning they might well use nukes if they have them.
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Same pattern? They have had the ability to make nukes for a long time, but did not. They signed a nuke pact. Is that in your pattern? Some religions do not back war and nukes. Their religious leadership has made it clear that they did not want nukes. The problem is Trumpys judge others by their weak standards. You Trumpys would make them as quickly as possible and project that on others. Iran has had a boatload of oil money for many decades. They could have gotten anything they needed.
 
Nordberg said:
Same pattern? They have had the ability to make nukes for a long time, but did not. They signed a nuke pact. Is that in your pattern? Some religions do not back war and nukes. Their religious leadership has made it clear that they did not want nukes. The problem is Trumpys judge others by their weak standards. You Trumpys would make them as quickly as possible and project that on others. Iran has had a boatload of oil money for many decades. They could have gotten anything they needed.
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Dumbest post award winner! :palm:
 
Nordberg said:
Same pattern? They have had the ability to make nukes for a long time, but did not. They signed a nuke pact. Is that in your pattern? Some religions do not back war and nukes. Their religious leadership has made it clear that they did not want nukes. The problem is Trumpys judge others by their weak standards. You Trumpys would make them as quickly as possible and project that on others. Iran has had a boatload of oil money for many decades. They could have gotten anything they needed.
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No, they haven't had that ability or they'd have done it already. Having one nuke buys you nothing. They need the materials on hand to build several, say a half dozen, and the infrastructure in place to make more. Without that, they can't use their nukes as a deterrent. They need the program to be advanced enough to make all that happen.

For example, that's why they were building that heavy water reactor. That allows them to make plutonium but it's obvious, so they had to wait until they had plenty of enriched uranium on hand that was close to or at bomb grade. They want nukes so bad they can taste it, but they can't just openly make them. Nobody would allow that. Subterfuge and camouflage are necessary.

Only fools think they're not headed to becoming a nuclear power.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
No, they haven't had that ability or they'd have done it already. Having one nuke buys you nothing. They need the materials on hand to build several, say a half dozen, and the infrastructure in place to make more. Without that, they can't use their nukes as a deterrent. They need the program to be advanced enough to make all that happen.

For example, that's why they were building that heavy water reactor. That allows them to make plutonium but it's obvious, so they had to wait until they had plenty of enriched uranium on hand that was close to or at bomb grade. They want nukes so bad they can taste it, but they can't just openly make them. Nobody would allow that. Subterfuge and camouflage are necessary.

Only fools think they're not headed to becoming a nuclear power.
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You are wrong. How do you think Afghanistan and Pakistan got nukes. It was not advanced technology. How did Israel get them? They bought them or were assisted.
Are you saying they had centrifuges for decades and were incapable of making nuke levels? In 2003, Supreme Leader Khamenei issued a public and categorical Fatwa against development, production, and stockpiling or use of nuclear weapons. Your analysis of their religion is bad. You think they would do it because you would.
 
Nordberg said:
You are wrong. How do you think Afghanistan and Pakistan got nukes. It was not advanced technology. How did Israel get them? They bought them or were assisted.
Are you saying they had centrifuges for decades and were incapable of making nuke levels? In 2003, Supreme Leader Khamenei issued a public and categorical Fatwa against development, production, and stockpiling or use of nuclear weapons. Your analysis of their religion is bad. You think they would do it because you would.
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Afghanistan does not have nukes. Never did. Israel has never been confirmed. You really need to get some sort of basic education about things. Seriously.
 
Nordberg said:
You are wrong. How do you think Afghanistan and Pakistan got nukes. It was not advanced technology. How did Israel get them? They bought them or were assisted.
Are you saying they had centrifuges for decades and were incapable of making nuke levels? In 2003, Supreme Leader Khamenei issued a public and categorical Fatwa against development, production, and stockpiling or use of nuclear weapons. Your analysis of their religion is bad. You think they would do it because you would.
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Afghanistan doesn't have nukes. Hell, they don't have indoor plumbing. The Pakistani nuke program followed the same pattern as N. Korea. For that matter, the Israeli program followed that pattern too. They denied they were working towards a nuke while running a concealed program to produce one. Israel went straight for a plutonium bomb without the uranium step involved as they lacked domestic uranium ore.

Pakistan and N. Korea had domestic uranium production available, so they went that route initially. That can be concealed as a means to produce commercial power rather than bombs. Both lied--as Iran has--about why they were mining and refining uranium.

If you really believe that Khomeini (who is now dead by the way) wouldn't just rescind his proclamation on their having nukes, you are a fool. Tyrants don't have to tell the truth to their people, or to anyone else. Actions speak louder than words with them.
 
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