Let's remember how we got here

Dutch Uncle said:
Duh. Exactly. Trump didn't do anything more than Obama and Biden did despite years of MAGAts bitching about what the did. Irony. I love it!

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Dutch, how do you manage to lisp when you type? Something the Priests taught you?
 
TOP said:
"FACT CHECK: Obama Dropped 26,171 Bombs In 7 Different Countries Without ONE Congressional Approval

While Democrats are busy crying that Trump struck Iran without Congressional approval, social media has been quick to remind them that Obama dropped THOUSANDS of bombs without ONE single congressional approval.

Multiple sources indicate that the Obama administration authorized military action, including airstrikes and drone strikes, in several countries without explicit congressional approval.

These actions were often taken under the broad authority granted by the 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF) passed after the 9/11 attacks. However, this use of the AUMF to justify strikes in countries not directly related to al-Qaeda's initial network sparked considerable debate regarding the limits of presidential war powers.

Here are some examples of countries where the Obama administration took military action without seeking new congressional approval:

- Libya (2011): The Obama administration authorized airstrikes leading to the overthrow of Muammar Gaddafi without seeking congressional approval, citing the War Powers Resolution's 60-day limit, even though the intervention lasted much longer.

- Syria (starting 2014): Airstrikes against ISIS began without new congressional authorization, despite Obama's initial intent to seek approval in 2013.

- Yemen (starting 2009): Drone strikes against al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula were conducted without a new congressional vote, justified as counterterrorism operations.

- Somalia (starting 2009): Airstrikes and drone strikes against al-Shabaab also occurred without congressional approval, justified as targeted counterterrorism efforts.

- Pakistan (starting 2009): Drone strikes in Waziristan began days after Obama's inauguration without congressional authorization.

While sources state that Obama authorized military action in at least seven countries, the precise number of countries where he dropped bombs without congressional approval is difficult to pinpoint definitively due to varying classifications and reporting practices."
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So did Trump run on...

'..I am going to continue the pattern of all prior POTUS of these veiled attacked and never ending proxy wars in the mid east...'

Or did he run on...

'... staying out of them and ending them.'
 
QP! said:
So did Trump run on...

'..I am going to continue the pattern of all prior POTUS of these veiled attacked and never ending proxy wars in the mid east...'

Or did he run on...

'... staying out of them and ending them.'
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This is exactly what he said. I think you lefties need to pay more attention or at least learn to comprehend.

During his campaigns for president, Donald Trump spoke of the need to stop engaging in “endless” or “forever wars,” and said removing “warmongers and America-last globalists” was among his second-term foreign policy priorities.
 
QP! said:
Lets just grant all that for sake of argument to determine the next point...

Did Trump and JD not know any of that when they pushed as a top campaign commitment to stay out of Middle East wars, as either a direct party fighting or via backing proxies to wage war?
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Trump campaigned that Iran would not have nuclear weapons. He campaigned that in the first term as well. He acted accordingly in both term now.

Why are YOU so surprised, Kewpie?????
 
Teflon Don said:
I think Trump has been pretty consistent that he would not let Iran get a nuclear bomb.
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So statements like these did not happen? ...

  • In his inauguration speech on Jan. 20, 2025, Trump told Americans: “We will measure our success not only by the battles we win but also by the wars that we end - and perhaps most importantly, the wars we never get into.”
  • He called his proudest legacy that of a “peacemaker and a unifier.”
 
QP! said:
So statements like these did not happen? ...

  • In his inauguration speech on Jan. 20, 2025, Trump told Americans: “We will measure our success not only by the battles we win but also by the wars that we end - and perhaps most importantly, the wars we never get into.”
  • He called his proudest legacy that of a “peacemaker and a unifier.”
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anyone can cherry pick quotes.

what war did we get into?

According to leftists long time definition, bombing from airplanes is not an act of war and war is only when you put boots on the ground

That is how leftists defended Clinton and Obama bombing other countries. You probably conveniently want to forget that though right?
 
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