LGBTQ rights in Russia

[Scott]

How you came to the conclusion that I want to marginalize straight people, I have no idea. Would you like to explain?

Sure. Your movement attacks straight people who don't acknowledge your supremacy. You call them your oppressive victimizers, while you refer to yourself as an oppressed victim suffering in oppressive victimhood.

You seek to marginalize straight people and normalize LGBTTQQIAXXXXXXX+ supremacy.

I just can't take your arguments seriously because you keep on referring to fictional movements such as this "LGBTTQQIA..." you mention this time around.

 

[Scott]

Nope... They instead want protections against the usurpation of their SUPREMACY.

Your notion that all LGBTQ people are in the same boat is fatally flawed.

That's not his notion. His notion is that all the people in the same LGBTTQQIAXXXXXXX+ movement boat are unique, totally different people.

Again with your fictional "LGBTTQQIAX..." movement. Let me know when you're talking about an -actual- LGBTQ movement, rather than the ones you make up as you go along.

 

[Scott]

I have to stop you right there. The wish of those on the right to try to glom all LGBTQ movements into one is just plain wrong. There have been -various- LGBTQ movements, usually spearheaded by organizations. Here are the ones I saw mentioned in Wikipedia's LGBTQ movements article that actually have Wikipedia articles of their own:

First homosexual movement - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Homophile movement - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Gay liberation - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I see no point in quibbling over "movement" vs "movements". It's effectively a single movement because all such movements have the same overarching goal of retaining supremacy over others.

This erroneous thinking does you no favours. Any person on the right with an ounce of intelligence on this issue knows the power of realizing that there are divisions within the LGBTQ community. Matt Walsh certainly realized this in his documentary "What is a woman?" when he interviewed the transgender man Scott (Kellie) Newgent, who says straight up that they are a biological woman. I'll quote part of what they say, starting at 55:24 of the documentary:
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I never fit. I was an alpha female, sales executive that kinda just didn't fit in any box. When psychologists or somebody that I was in love with or whatever said that I was in the wrong body, I started to think that, maybe I am.

I'm a biological woman that medically transitioned to appear like a male through synthetic hormones and surgery. I will never be a man. Is it transphobic for me to tell the truth? Why is it that a couple hundred years from now, if you dug up my body, they're going to go, yep, that was a woman. Had babies.
**

Source:

What Is a Woman

It's the question you're not allowed to ask. The documentary they don't want you to see. Are gender roles just a 'social construct'? Can a woman be 'trapped in a man’s body'? Does being a woman mean anything at all? We used to think being a woman had something to do with biology, but the......

www.documentaryarea.com

 

[gfm7175]

It's called both, depending on what side of the debate you're on.

So-called "gender-affirming care" affirms nothing more than delusions (via genital mutilation).

I'm somewhat in the middle here. I've come to the conclusion that gender affirming care/hormones/partial genital removal was being approved far too easily for minors, leading to situations such as Chloe Cole's story:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ua3PVeydTxQ&ab_channel=ForbesBreakingNews


So for now, I think it's best that minors not be allowed to get transgender surgery, at least until we can be reasonably sure that situations such as what happened to Chloe Cole doesn't happen to anyone else.

There is no such thing as "transgender", and gender cannot be changed via surgery. There are only two genders: male and female.

 

[gfm7175]

I think it's been made abundantly clear that there is more than one LGBTQ movement.

... and I think it's been made abundantly clear that [all of the various LGBTQ movements] all have the same overarching goal of SUPREMACY. If their supremacy dare be threatened in ANY miniscule manner, they shriek like banshees (then assassinate Charlie Kirk).

You can, ofcourse, continue to insist on this fictitious "LGBTQLMNOP..." movement, but it just lowers your credibility.

I know you're better than to have absolutely ZERO sense of humor about the absurdity of the movements that all have the same overarching goal of SUPREMACY...

 

[gfm7175]

Again with your fictional "LGBTTQQIAX..." movement. Let me know when you're talking about an -actual- LGBTQ movement, rather than the ones you make up as you go along.

It doesn't matter which one you or I pick... in the end, they ALL have the EXACT SAME overarching goal of SUPREMACY over anyone who isn't a card-carrying member.

They believe that everyone else MUST bow down to them and AFFIRM each and every one of their delusions about themselves. They want me thrown in prison for adhering to the universal and biological truths about what gender they actually are (instead of affirming their delusions).

 

[gfm7175]

This erroneous thinking does you no favours. Any person on the right with an ounce of intelligence on this issue knows the power of realizing that there are divisions within the LGBTQ community. Matt Walsh certainly realized this in his documentary "What is a woman?" when he interviewed the transgender man Scott (Kellie) Newgent, who says straight up that they are a biological woman. I'll quote part of what they say, starting at 55:24 of the documentary:
**
I never fit. I was an alpha female, sales executive that kinda just didn't fit in any box. When psychologists or somebody that I was in love with or whatever said that I was in the wrong body, I started to think that, maybe I am.

I'm a biological woman that medically transitioned to appear like a male through synthetic hormones and surgery. I will never be a man. Is it transphobic for me to tell the truth? Why is it that a couple hundred years from now, if you dug up my body, they're going to go, yep, that was a woman. Had babies.
**

Source:

What Is a Woman

It's the question you're not allowed to ask. The documentary they don't want you to see. Are gender roles just a 'social construct'? Can a woman be 'trapped in a man’s body'? Does being a woman mean anything at all? We used to think being a woman had something to do with biology, but the......

www.documentaryarea.com

So here you have a woman who had her body mutilated because of her delusions about her gender. Instead, people should have been helping her to feel comfortable in her own beautiful natural body instead of doing irreversible damage to it.

 

[ADreamOfLiberty]

So, here are the things that I don't agree with in regards to Russia here:
1- That much of the population disapproves of homosexuality.

Are you saying they actually approve more than they say in polls?

legal protections available to opposite-sex couples.

Repeating the fallacious dead ends of the American courts isn't a good idea.

Insofar as "legal protections for couples" exists, it shouldn't.

People's rights don't increase because they make an agreement with each other. If some segments of the population want to support some relationships that's up to them. The only role the government has in that case is making sure nobody is defrauded.

4- I think that Russia should have anti-discrimination protections for LGBTQ people.
5- I think Russia should have a designation for hate crimes based on sexual orientation and gender identity.

Again repeating the fallacious dead ends of the American courts isn't a good idea.

Specific motive (as opposed to intent which requires a motive) has always made for grey law.

Especially bad is when the motive is the crime, as in the case of refusal of service. It's wasted vast amounts of everyone's time, destroyed productive companies, served parasites, and never really done what people wanted it to do.

If an employer doesn't want a certain kind of employee, they're going to find an excuse. Better to know the truth than hear the excuse.

6- I think that transgender people should be able to change their gender and be able to get gender-affirming care, though only if they are adults and perhaps also after they've passed a test determining that they aren't just going through a phase of some sort.
7- Sexologists shouldn't be legally required to conduct conversion therapies. I know that the U.S. has generally gone the other way. From Wikipedia's page on the history of conversion therapy:

I agree that the bar for making consensual surgery or any other interaction illegal should be very high.

Furthermore performance should only be compelled when it was promised through contract.

 

[EdwinA]

... and I think it's been made abundantly clear that [all of the various LGBTQ movements] all have the same overarching goal of SUPREMACY. If their supremacy dare be threatened in ANY miniscule manner, they shriek like banshees (then assassinate Charlie Kirk).

I know you're better than to have absolutely ZERO sense of humor about the absurdity of the movements that all have the same overarching goal of SUPREMACY...

It's been going for a long time. The process of desensitization has borne fruit, as we can see from Scott's posts; they're oblivious to their brainwashing and emotional manipulations. It's a massive propaganda campaign, and includes a lot of fake science from the mental health industry, noted for it's own infestation of nutjobs and loons posing as 'scientists and professionals n stuff'.

This from the early 1980's.

THE OVERHAULING OF STRAIGHT AMERICA - By Marshall Kirk and Erastes Pill

The 'movement' was founded by Communist Party members, as was NAMBLa, thoroughly versed in Gramsci and propaganda tactics, and had whole new generations of dumbass Burb Brat dopers to work on.

 

[IBDaMann]

I just can't take your arguments seriously because ...

your supremacy is on the line, and you can't support your claims of VICTIMHOOD!

you keep on referring to fictional movements

You keep pivoting just to buy time. That's a forfeit. Your king is tipped.

such as this "LGBTTQQIA..." you mention this time around.

@gfm7175 showed us all the correct spelling for the movement, i.e. LGBTTQQIAPPIPALPHABET_SOUP+, but for simplicity, I'm thinking of just abbreviating it as just L+. Notice that no one is asking you for your input.

 

[Hawkeye10]

your supremacy is on the line, and you can't support your claims of VICTIMHOOD!


You keep pivoting just to buy time. That's a forfeit. Your king is tipped.

@gfm7175 showed us all the correct spelling for the movement, i.e. LGBTTQQIAPPIPALPHABET_SOUP+, but for simplicity, I'm thinking of just abbreviating it as just L+. Notice that no one is asking you for your input.

Scott is right a high percentage of the time.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Right/Not Right is the coin of the realm.

 

[IBDaMann]

So, here are the things that I don't agree with in regards to Russia here:

Let's correct your perspective:

1- That much of the population disapproves of homosexuality.

Nope. Much of the population disapproves of indecency in public. The L+ movement will not tolerate mere equality and being restricted by laws that apply to everyone. The L+ movement will not rest until its members can violate laws with impunity.

2- That pro-LGBTQ advocacy groups are deemed "extremist" and banned.

The L+ community cries VICTIM! whenever they are denied SUPREMACY. If they are subjected to laws just like everyone else, they give the impression that they are being executed via crucifiction.

3- I think some clarity needs to be provided as to what, exactly, is deemed as promoting homsexuality,

This is L+ disinformation that totally mischaracterizes the prohibition against public indecency as a prohibition against homosexuality.

4- I think that Russia should have anti-discrimination protections for LGBTQ people.

i.e. you believe that there should be additional protections for members of the L+ movement that are not afforded to everyone else. The term for this is SUPREMACY. Of course, you will whine and snivel and gripe and wail and cry like a baby that you are such a VICTIM! as long as your SUPREMACY is denied.

5- I think Russia should have a designation for hate crimes based on sexual orientation and gender identity.

i.e. crimes committed against members of the L+ movement should be met with stiffer fines and penalties than those same crimes committed against everyone else. The term for this is SUPREMACY. Of course, you will whine and snivel and gripe and wail and cry like a baby that you are such a VICTIM! as long as your SUPREMACY is denied.

6- I think that transgender people should be able to change their gender

No human can change his gender.

and be able to get gender-affirming care,

There is no such thing beyond someone lying to a gender-confused individual to make him feel better.

7- Sexologists shouldn't be legally required to conduct conversion therapies.

Nobody is legally required to conduct any therapies.

 

[IBDaMann]

Scott is right a high percentage of the time.

You are often in error, e.g. about the frequency that Scott is correct.

 

[IBDaMann]

Let me know when you're talking about an -actual- LGBTQ movement,

You have already tipped your king, so that means you're off the hook. You don't need to defend your killing SUPREMACY; I won't be asking you explain your indefensible position. You can devote your attention to EVADING something else.

 

[Hawkeye10]

You are often in error, e.g. about the frequency that Scott is correct.

Suuuure.....Scott and I know better.

 

[Hawkeye10]

The thing about investing in Education is that you stop wasting time on the morons and the liars.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Its like Kellogg claiming that Russia is losing ten times the soldiers that NATO is.....it is completely impossible that he is this dumb....he is lying.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Reminds me of "They are not even pushing Vit D.....they dont care about our health".

 

[IBDaMann]

Suuuure.....Scott and I know better.

We should take a poll: "How often is Hawkeye10 correct?"

How do you think you'd fare?