Liberals for Expanding the Drug War...

[TheDanold]

...into including tobacco as well.

Seriously does anyone deny that based on what we've seen?

They all talk about too many people imprisoned for drugs, but the only thing I see them doing is trying to make more laws against tobacco, bring lawsuits against tobacco companies, regulations prohibiting smoking even in people's own homes and so on.

 

[Epicurus]

To be fair I'm not aware of anyone advocating jail penalties for smoking tobacco.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

...into including tobacco as well.

Seriously does anyone deny that based on what we've seen?

They all talk about too many people imprisoned for drugs, but the only thing I see them doing is trying to make more laws against tobacco, bring lawsuits against tobacco companies, regulations prohibiting smoking even in people's own homes and so on.

More millionaires than ever before.

 

[TheDanold]

To be fair I'm not aware of anyone advocating jail penalties for smoking tobacco.

Now you are:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61298-2004Aug12.html

And anyway, what would happen to you if you ultimately decided not to pay anti-tobacco fines or not show up in court because you decided that they were not really going to put you in jail?
The ultimate recourse of government is incarceration, if you don't do what they say and you refuse to take their lesser penalty, they will impose harsher penalties right up to imprisonment.


Also they are pushing for more, this may seem nutty, but 10 or 20 years ago the above would have seemed nutty too:
http://no-smoking.org/may01/05-29-01-2.html

 

[TheDanold]

More millionaires than ever before.

Booyah, don't ruin my threads grasshopper. The Dems are anti-rich, but I'm a rich guy who's going to vote Democrat anyway because they will tax me more to fund green energy which I bought stocks in so I can get the tax money back.
* cue "Born on the Bayou" *

 

[Don Quixote]

To be fair I'm not aware of anyone advocating jail penalties for smoking tobacco.

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so far, only fines, i suppose if a person refused to pay a fine they could land in jail for contempt of court

of course if the number of smokers fell low enough they could form a class that would be covered by the americans with disabilities act as addicts...

 

[Epicurus]

Saying you will go to jail for not paying a fine is a cop out, Dano.

I stand to my point, since I imagine you made an exhaustive search trying to find smoking laws resulting in jail time and turned up only that.

But anyway yeah I agree with you in general that these laws suck.

 

[TheDanold]

Saying you will go to jail for not paying a fine is a cop out, Dano.

No it's not, that's like saying going to jail for tax evasion if you choose not to pay taxes is a cop out.

Liberals love to say things like, "We're just asking offenders to pay a fine." But government is not about asking. It is about telling. The difference is fundamental. The government is not asking anybody to pay anything. It confiscates your assets and puts you behind bars if you don't pay.

And anyway, who says they will stop there?

I stand to my point, since I imagine you made an exhaustive search trying to find smoking laws resulting in jail time and turned up only that.
But anyway yeah I agree with you in general that these laws suck.

Actually no, I have a business to run at nights (which is why I'm rarely here) so I don't generally go any exhaustive searches, instead I typed in "jailed for smoking tobacco" at the search engine I use and got that link on a site from the first page.

 

[blackascoal]

Where does that article say that "liberals" are trying to expand either the drug war or are looking to jail people for smoking cigarettes?

I'm not aware of any liberal who wants to see either .. in fact, it is liberals who are fighting against the drug war NOT CONSERVATIVES.

It is liberals, NOT CONSERVATIVES, who are fighting for civil liberties and against intrusions like the Patriot Act.

Please explain how you came up with this.

 

[midcan5]

Just another Dano fantasy post, you are definitely just a bot.

 

[TheDanold]

Where does that article say that "liberals" are trying to expand either the drug war or are looking to jail people for smoking cigarettes?

I'm not aware of any liberal who wants to see either .. in fact, it is liberals who are fighting against the drug war NOT CONSERVATIVES.

Fighting against the drug war? WTF? Do you not remember the thread where many Liberals INCLUDING YOU, were in favor of San Fran's move to criminalize smoking in your own friggin house?

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?t=5529&page=3&highlight=smoking

Sorry I can't think of a SINGLE Conservative who has talked about expanding the drug war into involving tobacco, in fact they are the ones fighting it the hardest.

It is liberals, NOT CONSERVATIVES, who are fighting for civil liberties and against intrusions like the Patriot Act.
Please explain how you came up with this.

Really? I was under the impression that Liberals biggest thing they are up in arms against right now is when some white idiot racists decided to use their first amendment rights to put nooses in trees.
And this ALSO includes you.

 

[TheDanold]

Just another Dano fantasy post, you are definitely just a bot.

ooooohhh, aaaahhh, the glowy blue thing below opens into a world of "fantasy"
http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?t=5529&page=3&highlight=smoking

 

[uscitizen]

grasshopper?.... Dano must be following toppers lead

 

[Chapdog]

we should just enact puritan laws.
No smoking
No drinking
No Drugs
No sex out of wedlock
etc

Think thats the goal here.

 

[uscitizen]

Umm sounds like Mormons. And as of a year ago Utah had the highest prescription drug abuse rate in the nation. Even worse than KY.
hmmmm

 

[blackascoal]

Fighting against the drug war? WTF?

YES, Hell yes, it is liberals fighting against the "war on drugs". You mean you need proof of that? Are you telling me that you had no idea that liberals are the ones fighting against the drug war, not conservatives?

Care to compare evidence so we can determine which one of us is stupid?

Do you not remember the thread where many Liberals INCLUDING YOU, were in favor of San Fran's move to criminalize smoking in your own friggin house?

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?t=5529&page=3&highlight=smoking

I understand that in your desperation to make an actual argument you believe that comparing the war on drugs to tobacco regulation makes sense, but it doesn't. In fact, your entire argument is just silly.

First, the case you cite is from Virginia, A CONSERVATIVE RED STATE FROM THE SOUTH and a smoke friendly state .. and the case is about the safety of the woman's children .. and based on evidence you want to deny but is obviously recognized as fact even in A CONSERVATIVE RED STATE FROM THE SOUTH.

That recognition of fact completely destroys your argument in the thread you cite .. as I said in the thread.

More importantly, where, oh where is "liberal" mentioned or implied anywhere in the case you cited? Don't run from this question again, it should be easy for you to answer.

Additionally, There are fines and other penalties attached to smoking regulations that does not include sending someone to prison. You claim if you refuse to obey the court than you get sent to ail .. sure, for not obeying a court order, not for smoking.

The woman in the case you cited got jailed for refusing to obey a court order, not for smoking. No one told her she could smoke, they said she could not harm her children.

Additionally, who do you think is more responsible for exploding prison populations of drug offenders, conservatives or liberals? Once again, if you care to compare conservative positions on the criminalization of drugs to that of liberals, be my guest.

Really? I was under the impression that Liberals biggest thing they are up in arms against right now is when some white idiot racists decided to use their first amendment rights to put nooses in trees.
And this ALSO includes you.

That is the epitome of just dumb.

You have no right to threaten innocent people and if that is your poster case for "liberty" and "rights", it exemplifies your desperation. Sane, civil, and intellectual people do not champion bullshit like that.

 

[Damocles]

No liberals are adding to the burden, was his point.

And liberals do not appear to be changing any laws, nor suggesting any changes to those laws now that they are in power, other than strengthening laws against a new drug.

 

[blackascoal]

No liberals are adding to the burden, was his point.

And liberals do not appear to be changing any laws, nor suggesting any changes to those laws now that they are in power, other than strengthening laws against a new drug.

Again I ask, based on the case he cited, where is it stated, implied, suggested, alluded to, imagined, dreamed, or guessed that liberals had anything whatsoever to do with the case in a smoke-friendly conservative state?

The "burden" he's talking about is science, data, and evidence .. and I can certainly see how he would attach these attributes to liberals, not conservatives, so perhaps you're right.

Science, data, evidence, and liberals are his problem.

 

[Damocles]

Again I ask, based on the case he cited, where is it stated, implied, suggested, alluded to, imagined, dreamed, or guessed that liberals had anything whatsoever to do with the case in a smoke-friendly conservative state?

The "burden" he's talking about is science, data, and evidence .. and I can certainly see how he would attach these attributes to liberals, not conservatives, so perhaps you're right.

Science, data, evidence, and liberals are his problem.

You asserted that the liberals were fighting against the 'drug war'. My point was that there is no evidence of any such fight. There is evidence of rhetoric about MJ, but nothing about ending the 'drug war' altogether.

It isn't liberals that suggest that. I do hang with a bunch of people who do, though.

 

[TheDanold]

You asserted that the liberals were fighting against the 'drug war'. My point was that there is no evidence of any such fight. There is evidence of rhetoric about MJ, but nothing about ending the 'drug war' altogether.

It isn't liberals that suggest that. I do hang with a bunch of people who do, though.

You heard the man Damo, it's a smoke friendly Conservative state, so the judge who imprisoned this Mom must therefore be a smoke-friendly Conservative.
It's 'science' after all...