Liberals War on Wealthy: A Quagmire!

[NOVA]

Typical profane but meaningless rant.

1. I'm not jealous of wealthy people because I already have more than I need.
Then why support the class warfare and feed and nurture the envy and jealousy...?

2. I'm not interested in living like bush or McCain and the government doesn't need to confiscate their money and give it to me.

Neither am I ...I'd rather count my money by the billions rather that one or two million....I pick Soros and Oprah.....

3. I also believe in fairness and justice.

Thats just a lie....fairness is not taxing some people at 0% and others at 35%....fairness is not taxing the wealth of the dead....

4. I don't believe poor and middle-class people are just envious spiteful money grubbers who want me to support their lazy lifestyles.

You may not admit to that belief, but you sure do try to create that envy...just listen to the lies coming from the lefties today....

5. Number four is what makes me different and a lot better than you, so right back atcha, dunderhead.

Your a hypocrite of the worst kind, the kind that don't realize it.

 

[NOVA]

The money's gotta come from somewhere. I think that conservatives have been politically genius to get the public to completely ignore balancing the budget and solely focus on the popular side of their program, the tax cuts. Is it practically in the long term what's good for the nation? No. But it shows their political genius that they've been able to pull it off for so long and so effectively.

There have been no tax cuts except what Obama recomended....only a continuation of the status que...that is, no increase in taxes as was pending.
"No increase" does not equate to a cut.

 

[cawacko]

You don't have a job, I think that would be your first clue!

Hey did you mean if the rich people were my friends I would either have or at least be offered a job?

 

[Phantasmal]

Hey did you mean if the rich people were my friends I would either have or at least be offered a job?

Baby, you could drive their cars!

 

[cawacko]

Baby, you could drive their cars!

True! But my middle class and poor friends don't offer me sh*t either. At least my rich friends buy me drinks.

 

[Phantasmal]

True! But my middle class and poor friends don't offer me sh*t either. At least my rich friends buy me drinks.

Nice!

 

[cawacko]

Nice!

It's the quickest way to win my heart.

 

[Bfgrn]

All the blood, treasure, sweat and tears, invested by pinhead liberals who have waged all-out war on the rich, and for what? Well of course, it's to benefit politically from it. It is through class warfare, the democrats seek to tap into the jealous emotions of those who are the "have-nots" in society. It's easy to charge these emotions with rhetoric, because a vast majority of Americans have been raised without manners or respect for others, they really have no moral foundation, so it's easy to blame all your problems on someone else. There isn't much spiritual foundation left, so the notion of coveting your neighbor's things, never enters their warped little minds.

Class warfare is nothing new, it has gone on for centuries as a means of shaping politics, and for the better part of the past century, has been the most frequently used tool of the socialist progressives. We continue to see it deployed daily, as the liberals attempt to pull a few more over to the dark side. Why do they do it? Because it works! The ignorant, gullible, and dumb, will ultimately be on the front-line of this war. Leading the charge to hate the wealthy, soak the rich, redistribute the wealth in the name of social justice!

I can't recall who said it, but it was a noted economist of the time, he said, if you took all of the wealth of the world and equally distributed it out to every man, woman, and child across the board, that within 20 years, relatively the same disproportional gaps in class would exist again. It is part of the human condition, some men strive for prosperity more than others. Some people have more drive and ambition than others, we are not all equal in our levels of motivation, or need for accomplishment. People who have amassed great wealth, are very good at making money, they would again make good money. Subsequently, those who are not very wise with the coin, would soon find themselves the "victim of misfortune" again. In 20 years, everyone is right back to where they started from.

What does this all mean? Well, it means there can never be an end to the War on The Rich! It's a quagmire, like Vietnam and Iraq! Even if the above-noted scenario were to somehow come to fruition, there would still be liberals clamoring for some restriction on the money-smart people! It's not fair that HE comes up with all the great ways to make a fortune, and I DON'T! So... the Class War would continue. It's not a winnable war, or a war that can have a satisfactory conclusion. Just another endless quagmire, orchestrated for the sole purpose of advancing socialism.

Wow Dixie, that is quite a voluminous emote. You convinced me your Monica Lewinsky urge toward the rich is genuine. The history of mankind has been dominated by monarchies, aristocracies, plutocracies and oligarchies. And, it has always been the goal of conservatism to create and build those hierarchies.

The one constant throughout all of history is human nature. It doesn't change. So Dixie, if there is a war, the rich have won...the wealth disparity today is as great as the Gilded age, the days of the robber barons. In 30 short years Conservatives and Republicans have wiped out America's real 'exceptionalism', the robust middle class created by a liberal era from the New Deal through the Great Society. A prosperous middle class that was the envy of the world. America; the 'city upon the hill'.

What does warfare sound like? When Grover Norquist, co-author of the Republican's 'Contract with (on) America said "We're going to crush labor as a political entity" what did he mean by that Dixie? Isn't labor the backbone of the middle class? What's the next target of conservatism, to disable any form of a safety net? If there is a war, it was declared by conservatives and Republicans, not by liberals or Democrats. This great democratic experiment of our founders will soon be a complete plutocracy.

It's ironic that even David Stockman, the poster boy for supply side, trickle down economics is against extending the Bush tax cuts for the rich.

IF there were such a thing as Chapter 11 for politicians, the Republican push to extend the unaffordable Bush tax cuts would amount to a bankruptcy filing. The nation’s public debt — if honestly reckoned to include municipal bonds and the $7 trillion of new deficits baked into the cake through 2015 — will soon reach $18 trillion. That’s a Greece-scale 120 percent of gross domestic product, and fairly screams out for austerity and sacrifice. It is therefore unseemly for the Senate minority leader, Mitch McConnell, to insist that the nation’s wealthiest taxpayers be spared even a three-percentage-point rate increase.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/01/opinion/01stockman.html?_r=1

"To unequal privileges among members of the same society the spirit of our nation is, with one accord, adverse." --Thomas Jefferson to Hugh White, 1801. ME 10:258

 

[apple0154]

My way of thinking? My way of thinking is, there shouldn't be this class warfare "redistribution of wealth" bullshit even going on! There should be an understanding that, no matter what we could ever possibly do, there will always be people who have more (and less) than others, there is not a way to make life FAIR!

Of course there is a way of making life fair.

Have you ever travelled, Dixie? Take Caribbean countries as an example. It’s fine if one stays in a resort but travel around the countryside. See how long you keep your possessions. Central American countries. Former communist countries like Bulgaria.

Know why there is such a level of crime? Because people are poor and when people don’t have food or access to medical care and housing and other necessities they take what they can get from anyone they can.

The point being a safety net is not just safety for the poor. It’s safety for the wealthy. Safety nets lower crime because people are not destitute. They are not desperate.

Class warfare is not about wanting a bigger home. It’s about wanting shelter. It’s not about fine dining. It’s about not starving. In other words it’s not about wanting a bigger boat. It’s about wanting to get in a boat and not drown.

Class warfare is nothing new, it has gone on for centuries…

Yes, it has and the last person who said “eat cake”, while people were starving, lost their head.

You confuse the word “fair” with “equal”. No one is suggesting financial equality. They are demanding fairness.

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My way of thinking? My way of thinking is, there shouldn't be this class warfare "redistribution of wealth" bullshit even going on! There should be an understanding that, no matter what we could ever possibly do, there will always be people who have more (and less) than others, there is not a way to make life FAIR! My way of thinking is for us to come to the realization Class Warfare is a pointless means to an impossible end, and is only being perpetuated by those who seek to implement a socialist system of government.

What works for the American people, is for government to make it as easy as possible for ANY American, to take their imagination and ambition, and make their dream happen. You can't do this by punishing success! The more you "regulate" the more you establish road blocks for these Americans to realize their dreams. The more you tax them, the more impossible you make it for them to achieve prosperity. You have a warped and twisted view of "the rich" ...you envision someone making $200k a year, as living in a mansion with bathtubs full of money, lighting their cigars with $100 bills! In reality, it's a self-employed carpenter and his wife who is a teacher. It's Americans trying to realize the American Dream and become successful. It's a Persian-born citizen who has saved his money wisely and invested in convenience stores, now owns a chain of them, just like his brother. These are not people who are living in the lap of luxury, they are just average Americans. Yet, to a Liberal committed to the War on The Rich, they are the fat old guy in the top hat on the Monopoly game!

Sorry, if you want to hijack the thread to talk about Iraq or Fox News, you'll need to start a new thread, homie ain't playing the game today.

 

[Phantasmal]

Of course there is a way of making life fair.

Have you ever travelled, Dixie? Take Caribbean countries as an example. It’s fine if one stays in a resort but travel around the countryside. See how long you keep your possessions. Central American countries. Former communist countries like Bulgaria.

Know why there is such a level of crime? Because people are poor and when people don’t have food or access to medical care and housing and other necessities they take what they can get from anyone they can.

The point being a safety net is not just safety for the poor. It’s safety for the wealthy. Safety nets lower crime because people are not destitute. They are not desperate.

Class warfare is not about wanting a bigger home. It’s about wanting shelter. It’s not about fine dining. It’s about not starving. In other words it’s not about wanting a bigger boat. It’s about wanting to get in a boat and not drown.



Yes, it has and the last person who said “eat cake”, while people were starving, lost their head.

You confuse the word “fair” with “equal”. No one is suggesting financial equality. They are demanding fairness.

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You always say things in such a nice way!

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

You always say things in such a nice way!

Retarded people always do that.

 

[Phantasmal]

Retarded people always do that.

The mentally handicapped can not help the way they are, they were born that way and I hate when people use them as a slight to others, shame on you, and Sarah would not be happy with her camper!

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Of course there is a way of making life fair.

No, there's really not, and whatever stupidity you are about to write, doesn't change that simple fact of life. I am sorry you were never raised to understand this, but at some point, you will need to understand it's the truth.

Have you ever travelled, Dixie? Take Caribbean countries as an example. It’s fine if one stays in a resort but travel around the countryside. See how long you keep your possessions. Central American countries. Former communist countries like Bulgaria.

Yes, and I bet I have traveled more in my life than you have. I've never lost any possessions, anywhere I traveled. I am a very precautionary person.

Know why there is such a level of crime? Because people are poor and when people don’t have food or access to medical care and housing and other necessities they take what they can get from anyone they can.

Really? Is this what we have to look forward to now that you've destroyed our health care system and economy? I thought this was going to be an explanation of how life can be made fair? Are you going to get to that anytime soon?

The point being a safety net is not just safety for the poor. It’s safety for the wealthy. Safety nets lower crime because people are not destitute. They are not desperate.

My safety net is a .357 magnum. I never have a problem with crime. Your "safety nets" are bankrupting the nation, which will ultimately cause destitution and desperation. Capitalism, free markets, free enterprise, create an environment where any man can achieve success and prosperity. Government is very often an obstacle to that.

Class warfare is not about wanting a bigger home. It’s about wanting shelter. It’s not about fine dining. It’s about not starving. In other words it’s not about wanting a bigger boat. It’s about wanting to get in a boat and not drown.

No, class warfare isn't even something that is being waged by people without shelter or a boat. It's being waged primarily by elitist blue-blood liberals who have more money than you and I. You are emoting a response to their class warfare tactics, like they hope you will. In your warped little ignorant pinhead mind, you are helping people, you see this as a struggle for the needy, a fight for the poor. And here you are with your brain as your weapon, ready to do battle against those evil rich people who have all the money! In your simple little mind, you think raising the tax on a wealthy person will somehow provide shelter (and apparently a boat) to some poor person. Do you even realize how foolish and stupid you sound?

Yes, it has and the last person who said “eat cake”, while people were starving, lost their head.

They must not have invented the .357 magnum yet.

You confuse the word “fair” with “equal”. No one is suggesting financial equality. They are demanding fairness.

I'm not confusing anything, I don't get confused like you, I am not retarded. You can "demand fairness" all you like, life is never going to be fair. Again, I am really sorry you were never taught this, I learned it as a child. I learned that if you want anything in life, you have to work for it, and nothing worthwhile comes without sacrifice. See, this is the difference between you and I, our perspectives on fairness. I think it's more fair if government gets out of our way and allows us to generate prosperity for ourselves, you think it's more fair for government to control us and take money from one person and give to another to make it all seem fair.

 

[apple0154]

No, there's really not, and whatever stupidity you are about to write, doesn't change that simple fact of life. I am sorry you were never raised to understand this, but at some point, you will need to understand it's the truth.

The point is life isn't fair but it can be made fair. Why would you object to that?

No, class warfare isn't even something that is being waged by people without shelter or a boat. It's being waged primarily by elitist blue-blood liberals who have more money than you and I. You are emoting a response to their class warfare tactics, like they hope you will. In your warped little ignorant pinhead mind, you are helping people, you see this as a struggle for the needy, a fight for the poor. And here you are with your brain as your weapon, ready to do battle against those evil rich people who have all the money! In your simple little mind, you think raising the tax on a wealthy person will somehow provide shelter (and apparently a boat) to some poor person. Do you even realize how foolish and stupid you sound?

So how should the extension of UI benefits be paid if not by taxes from people who have money? Or do you suggest the unemployed should just go hungry?

I'm not confusing anything, I don't get confused like you, I am not retarded. You can "demand fairness" all you like, life is never going to be fair.

That doesn't mean we can't work towards that goal.

Again, I am really sorry you were never taught this, I learned it as a child. I learned that if you want anything in life, you have to work for it, and nothing worthwhile comes without sacrifice. See, this is the difference between you and I, our perspectives on fairness. I think it's more fair if government gets out of our way and allows us to generate prosperity for ourselves, you think it's more fair for government to control us and take money from one person and give to another to make it all seem fair.

I always hear about government controlling people. How does the government get in your way? Why would the government not want you to make money? It sounds like what you really mean is you don't want to help those in need.

As for that old line "you have to work for it" tell us how, specifically. What, exactly, does an individual have to do?

Be specific. If anyone can generate prosperity tell us the specific job. Where does the person apply? What, exactly, do they have to do?

No generalities like "work hard". Work at what? What job? How many hours? Be specific.

If anyone and everyone can generate prosperity then there must be specific instructions to follow. Write them out, in detail.

To help you get started I'll give you two suggestions. The first one is a 25 year old single mom working as an office clerk. The second one is a laid off, 50 year old male who worked as a machinist for the last 25 years. He purchased his home 15 years ago and has another five years on the mortgage.

Pick either example and let's see your detailed plans. Be specific. Don't write, "get an better education" or "look for another job". If you suggest education state exactly what trade/profession and how they can pay for it. If you suggest a job then name a company.

If you believe everyone can obtain prosperity then you must know of specific ways. We're all ears, or in this case, all eyes. Have a go at it.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

The point is life isn't fair but it can be made fair. Why would you object to that?

Because it's idiotic to think that it's ever going to be possible to make life fair! Life is NOT FAIR! It doesn't matter how much you wish for it to be, or how much you long and hope for it to one day be, it just isn't, and won't ever be! You can't make life fair, for everything you attempt to do to make things more fair for one, it makes things less fair for someone else. We don't live in a perfect world, we will never live in a perfect world, and you will never make the world perfect!

So how should the extension of UI benefits be paid if not by taxes from people who have money? Or do you suggest the unemployed should just go hungry?

I don't know that we should extend UI benefits any more than we already have! At the very least, we ought to have a conversation about just how long we plan to pay people who are unemployed, don't you think? I mean, we're up over 2 years now, should we pay the unemployed indefinitely? Why not just guarantee, if you ever lose a job, you can draw unemployment the rest of your life, if you need to? That's pretty much where you're at with your emotions, isn't it? I mean, at what point is it acceptable to you, to cut off their income source and force them to "go hungry?"

That doesn't mean we can't work towards that goal.

It's beyond stupid to work for a goal that is not possible to achieve!

I always hear about government controlling people. How does the government get in your way? Why would the government not want you to make money? It sounds like what you really mean is you don't want to help those in need.

By passing onerous regulations on whatever it is that I do! By raising my tax rates! By forcing me to buy insurance! By mandating what fees and funds I have to put money into! By telling me what standards I must meet to comply with their regulations! By telling me how much I have to pay my workers! By telling me how much time off I have to give my workers!

I never said the government doesn't want me to make money, idiot! The government wants me to make all the money I can, so they can tax my ass off! I'm not very inclined to make that much money, because my finances are in order, I live comfortably, and if I make too much money, government will just confiscate what extra I make, so fuck it! I will continue to sit on my wallet.

As for helping the needy, I will be willing to bet, over the past 10 years, I have contributed more to charity than you have in your entire lifetime. I don't need some condescending remark from you about my charitable contributions. Your idiotic idea of "helping" people is to further shackle them to the ball and chain of government dependence.

As for that old line "you have to work for it" tell us how, specifically. What, exactly, does an individual have to do?

Be specific. If anyone can generate prosperity tell us the specific job. Where does the person apply? What, exactly, do they have to do?

No generalities like "work hard". Work at what? What job? How many hours? Be specific.

One of my favorite old timers was Stories4U... don't know if you remember him or not, he left this board a few years back. He was fairly conservative, and presented some very interesting threads for discussion. One day, he posted a thread where he said, he knew of a business anyone could go into and make $100k per year immediately, no hard work, with no special training or education needed, and little or no investment. For about a week, he kept people trying to guess what the business idea was. Liberals lined up to proclaim him crazy, and full of shit. No one could possibly have such an idea! What the hell could it possibly be? For a week, people tried to guess, no one even came close. His idea? Story-telling! You see, he went around to libraries and cub scout meetings, dressing in Native American attire, telling stories about how things were for the Indians and such. He made between $125 and $250 per appearance, and usually did several per week.

If anyone and everyone can generate prosperity then there must be specific instructions to follow. Write them out, in detail.

There are tons and tons of books on this, all kinds of ideas for how to make money, how to start your own business, how to become successful in business. Many people have written down specific steps (and formulas) to follow, and their ideas will work if followed. But the bottom line is, the individual has to be motivated to be successful! If you aren't motivated, nothing anyone can ever do will help you. You've got to be willing to do the hard work, to make the sacrifices, to pay the price, but if you have this drive, anything at all is possible in America.

One of my oldest and dearest friends growing up, was a man named Armando. He was Cuban, came here back when Castro took over, with nothing but the clothes on his back. No money, no family, no nothing! He worked small jobs here and there and saved his money, eventually he started a small business delivering pizzas, and after a while, he opened his own restaurant, then he opened another, and pretty soon, he had a chain of Armando's Italian Restaurant's! Yes, ITALIAN, and he was Cuban! When he passed away in the mid 80s, his estate was worth about $10 million. Now, this was a guy at the bottom of the barrel as far as society goes... nothing going for him at all... and he somehow became a success, how? Because he had the desire and ambition to succeed, and he didn't accept failure as an option.

Third example... My sister... 41-year-old mother of a 6-month-old, her husband is serving in Afghanistan. She enjoyed knitting as a hobby, and had been doing little things for all her nieces and nephews, when a new baby was born in the family, she'd do them a blanket or footies and toboggan... and a friend of hers suggested she try to sell her craftwork online, so she set up a little online store. She currently has more orders from online, than she can do! She has a backlog of customers, all paying her good money to produce her stuff. Her husband retired this year from the military, and her reported income on her 1040, was actually more than what he made in 2010. She now has a sales staff, and a call center taking orders. She has also trained several others to help her with the knitting.

Donald Trump, in one of his books, discusses his bankruptcy in the early 90s. People thought Trump was done. He recalls walking into Trump Towers and passing a homeless beggar on the street, and telling his associate... "that guy is worth more than I am right now!" From literally NOTHING, Donald Trump re-amassed his fortune and then some, in less than a decade. Someone asked him was it more difficult to "get rich" the second time? To which he replied, "No, it was actually more difficult the first time, the second time, I knew I could do it!" Do you see the point here? It's the attitude! It's the mindset of the individual, the motivation to succeed, the belief in one's self and ideas, and the determination to never give up. Not everyone has that, but everyone has that capacity.

 

[Schadenfreude]

Because it's idiotic to think that it's ever going to be possible to make life fair! Life is NOT FAIR! It doesn't matter how much you wish for it to be, or how much you long and hope for it to one day be, it just isn't, and won't ever be! You can't make life fair, for everything you attempt to do to make things more fair for one, it makes things less fair for someone else. We don't live in a perfect world, we will never live in a perfect world, and you will never make the world perfect!



I don't know that we should extend UI benefits any more than we already have! At the very least, we ought to have a conversation about just how long we plan to pay people who are unemployed, don't you think? I mean, we're up over 2 years now, should we pay the unemployed indefinitely? Why not just guarantee, if you ever lose a job, you can draw unemployment the rest of your life, if you need to? That's pretty much where you're at with your emotions, isn't it? I mean, at what point is it acceptable to you, to cut off their income source and force them to "go hungry?"



It's beyond stupid to work for a goal that is not possible to achieve!



By passing onerous regulations on whatever it is that I do! By raising my tax rates! By forcing me to buy insurance! By mandating what fees and funds I have to put money into! By telling me what standards I must meet to comply with their regulations! By telling me how much I have to pay my workers! By telling me how much time off I have to give my workers!

I never said the government doesn't want me to make money, idiot! The government wants me to make all the money I can, so they can tax my ass off! I'm not very inclined to make that much money, because my finances are in order, I live comfortably, and if I make too much money, government will just confiscate what extra I make, so fuck it! I will continue to sit on my wallet.

As for helping the needy, I will be willing to bet, over the past 10 years, I have contributed more to charity than you have in your entire lifetime. I don't need some condescending remark from you about my charitable contributions. Your idiotic idea of "helping" people is to further shackle them to the ball and chain of government dependence.




One of my favorite old timers was Stories4U... don't know if you remember him or not, he left this board a few years back. He was fairly conservative, and presented some very interesting threads for discussion. One day, he posted a thread where he said, he knew of a business anyone could go into and make $100k per year immediately, no hard work, with no special training or education needed, and little or no investment. For about a week, he kept people trying to guess what the business idea was. Liberals lined up to proclaim him crazy, and full of shit. No one could possibly have such an idea! What the hell could it possibly be? For a week, people tried to guess, no one even came close. His idea? Story-telling! You see, he went around to libraries and cub scout meetings, dressing in Native American attire, telling stories about how things were for the Indians and such. He made between $125 and $250 per appearance, and usually did several per week.



There are tons and tons of books on this, all kinds of ideas for how to make money, how to start your own business, how to become successful in business. Many people have written down specific steps (and formulas) to follow, and their ideas will work if followed. But the bottom line is, the individual has to be motivated to be successful! If you aren't motivated, nothing anyone can ever do will help you. You've got to be willing to do the hard work, to make the sacrifices, to pay the price, but if you have this drive, anything at all is possible in America.

One of my oldest and dearest friends growing up, was a man named Armando. He was Cuban, came here back when Castro took over, with nothing but the clothes on his back. No money, no family, no nothing! He worked small jobs here and there and saved his money, eventually he started a small business delivering pizzas, and after a while, he opened his own restaurant, then he opened another, and pretty soon, he had a chain of Armando's Italian Restaurant's! Yes, ITALIAN, and he was Cuban! When he passed away in the mid 80s, his estate was worth about $10 million. Now, this was a guy at the bottom of the barrel as far as society goes... nothing going for him at all... and he somehow became a success, how? Because he had the desire and ambition to succeed, and he didn't accept failure as an option.

Third example... My sister... 41-year-old mother of a 6-month-old, her husband is serving in Afghanistan. She enjoyed knitting as a hobby, and had been doing little things for all her nieces and nephews, when a new baby was born in the family, she'd do them a blanket or footies and toboggan... and a friend of hers suggested she try to sell her craftwork online, so she set up a little online store. She currently has more orders from online, than she can do! She has a backlog of customers, all paying her good money to produce her stuff. Her husband retired this year from the military, and her reported income on her 1040, was actually more than what he made in 2010. She now has a sales staff, and a call center taking orders. She has also trained several others to help her with the knitting.

Donald Trump, in one of his books, discusses his bankruptcy in the early 90s. People thought Trump was done. He recalls walking into Trump Towers and passing a homeless beggar on the street, and telling his associate... "that guy is worth more than I am right now!" From literally NOTHING, Donald Trump re-amassed his fortune and then some, in less than a decade. Someone asked him was it more difficult to "get rich" the second time? To which he replied, "No, it was actually more difficult the first time, the second time, I knew I could do it!" Do you see the point here? It's the attitude! It's the mindset of the individual, the motivation to succeed, the belief in one's self and ideas, and the determination to never give up. Not everyone has that, but everyone has that capacity.

you need a glass of koolaid

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

you need a glass of koolaid

What does that even mean? I know in Pinhead World it had to mean something, but for the life of me, I can't figure out what it has to do with the thread topic. Is this where you're at now with actual "debates?" Instead of even attempting to engage in one, you opt for the quick 'witty' quip that isn't understood by anyone but you and someone from the far left? Well, okay, if that's what you've been reduced to!

 

[Schadenfreude]

What does that even mean? I know in Pinhead World it had to mean something, but for the life of me, I can't figure out what it has to do with the thread topic. Is this where you're at now with actual "debates?" Instead of even attempting to engage in one, you opt for the quick 'witty' quip that isn't understood by anyone but you and someone from the far left? Well, okay, if that's what you've been reduced to!

it is my comment on your 'debates' ALA jamestown

sometimes you do better than others but when you start to lose you breaksown

as for the title of this thread, imo, nothing that the government does regarding taxes for the wealthy improves employment nationwide or even locally with the exception of their hiring a new servant or two or add a gardener