Libertarians; Useful Idiots?

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Darla
Really interesting piece by Krugman. Regarding the title? When you reveal yourselves to be a bunch of whiny assed little titty babies, you are begging for it. Be A Man! :)

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/26/opinion/krugman-lobbyists-guns-and-money.html?_r=1&hp#

Florida’s now-infamous Stand Your Ground law, which lets you shoot someone you consider threatening without facing arrest, let alone prosecution, sounds crazy — and it is. And it’s tempting to dismiss this law as the work of ignorant yahoos. But similar laws have been pushed across the nation, not by ignorant yahoos but by big corporations.
 
apparently Darla hasn't checked the quality of her blow as suggested.

besides this uneducated piece of trash krugman straying outside of his supposed field of expertise, the article doesnt mention libertarians or libertarianism at all, so lets all just clear the air and put the board on notice that it's still 'blame the libertarians' month until april.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
apparently Darla hasn't checked the quality of her blow as suggested.

besides this uneducated piece of trash krugman straying outside of his supposed field of expertise, the article doesnt mention libertarians or libertarianism at all, so lets all just clear the air and put the board on notice that it's still 'blame the libertarians' month until april.
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I was joking about the coke. I think it's very funny how you and 3d really glommed onto that, as if were I doing coke, I'd be talking about it here. But you mention it all the time now. I wonder if that isn't a reveal on your part but I don't care, that's your business.

Now, regarding your claim:

Specifically, language virtually identical to Florida’s law is featured in a template supplied to legislators in other states by the American Legislative Exchange Council, a corporate-backed organization that has managed to keep a low profile even as it exerts vast influence (only recently, thanks to yeoman work by the Center for Media and Democracy, has a clear picture of ALEC’s activities emerged). And if there is any silver lining to Trayvon Martin’s killing, it is that it might finally place a spotlight on what ALEC is doing to our society — and our democracy.

Who are the biggest backers of these horrid laws? Why, Libertarians of course. :)

Useful idiots.
 
Since everyone is interested, I did do coke when I was in my 20's. Well, it was pretty much thrown at me wherever I went back then, so that's no surprise. And I definitely liked it. But I haven't done it in years, and really was never around it in the intervening years. Only over the past few years as I have traveled in more and more elevated business circles has coke reared its head again. And it is everywhere again. I would do it, but now that I'm in my 40's I fear a heart attack or stroke. Coke greatly increases your risk of both those things. Much like George Costanza, I figure it would be just my luck that now that I am successful, have a great home, a hot relationship, a new Ipad!, and am just so happy, that God will smote me down just for the f of it. So I am very careful.

But those health risks aside, as long as you don't overindulge, coke isn't going to kill you when you are very young. It's not a big deal. If you can't walk away you have a problem on your hands, but that is true of everything. Absolutely everything. From alcohol to McDonalds.

Okay, well you have a good day STY!
 
Darla said:
I was joking about the coke. I think it's very funny how you and 3d really glommed onto that, as if were I doing coke, I'd be talking about it here. But you mention it all the time now. I wonder if that isn't a reveal on your part but I don't care, that's your business.

Now, regarding your claim:

Specifically, language virtually identical to Florida’s law is featured in a template supplied to legislators in other states by the American Legislative Exchange Council, a corporate-backed organization that has managed to keep a low profile even as it exerts vast influence (only recently, thanks to yeoman work by the Center for Media and Democracy, has a clear picture of ALEC’s activities emerged). And if there is any silver lining to Trayvon Martin’s killing, it is that it might finally place a spotlight on what ALEC is doing to our society — and our democracy.

Who are the biggest backers of these horrid laws? Why, Libertarians of course. :)

Useful idiots.
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well i'll start including my sarcasm sign when i remark about your blow, which you started btw.

now, on to something else. I must be confusing your posts with motts, because I was always under the impression that a bunch of you on here felt that Libertarians had no power because nobody that was worth anything listened to libertarians. that being the case, how is it that all these laws are being passed due to the influence of non influential libertarians?
 
SmarterThanYou said:
well i'll start including my sarcasm sign when i remark about your blow, which you started btw.

now, on to something else. I must be confusing your posts with motts, because I was always under the impression that a bunch of you on here felt that Libertarians had no power because nobody that was worth anything listened to libertarians. that being the case, how is it that all these laws are being passed due to the influence of non influential libertarians?
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I think that while Libertarians have far more influence online than they do irl, that to say they have no influence irl would be incorrect. I think that the corporate wing of the Republican party has in the past, gotten into bed with the religious right because it was expedient for them to do so. I think that they are naturally already in bed with Libertarians, and in fact, that the corporate elite really are Libertarians (they all view themselves as John Galt), and while they might not give a shit about the gun issue (after all, we are talking about people who are guarded by the best in the world), they are happy to promote it for several reasons. Some are explained in Krugman's piece which i agree with, and also just to keep their little wives happy. You have to give her something to keep her quiet while you're out drinking with the boys. The her is you in this case, but same principal.
 
I actually had no idea that you used coke in the past, Darla, or that you had joked about it in the other thread. I just responded to someone who asked where you went with "they went to go get more coke," because it seemed like a plausable explanation for why you had all posted the things that you did.

Actually, I'm being kind. Cokeheads are far too refined for this kind of stuff. Are you sure you didn't switch to meth in your thirties?
 
Darla, as a sideline observer I have to wonder how you couple rightwing authoritarians with libertarians. Is there something I am missing here?
Is this because the TP was backed by corporate interests?
 
She just thinks it's funny to post a thread like this, get people to post, and then call them desperate, angry, deflecting, etc. It's known as serious debating.
 
Rune said:
Darla, as a sideline observer I have to wonder how you couple rightwing authoritarians with libertarians. Is there something I am missing here?
Is this because the TP was backed by corporate interests?
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Right wing authoritarians are Libertarians in many cases. There is a huge co-mingling. As a woman, perhaps the authoritarianism inherent in Libertarians is more obvious to me.

Their definition of "freedom" is very narrow indeed.
 
Darla said:
Right wing authoritarians are Libertarians in many cases. There is a huge co-mingling. As a woman, perhaps the authoritarianism inherent in Libertarians is more obvious to me.

Their definition of "freedom" is very narrow indeed.
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or, perhaps you're just seriously deluded. As an extremely hardcore Libertarian, i'm sure you'd have no problem pulling up any one of my posts stating a position that comes near to your definition of authoritarian, right?
 
SmarterThanYou said:
apparently Darla hasn't checked the quality of her blow as suggested.

besides this uneducated piece of trash krugman straying outside of his supposed field of expertise, the article doesnt mention libertarians or libertarianism at all, so lets all just clear the air and put the board on notice that it's still 'blame the libertarians' month until april.
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In April it's blame the fool month, commencing with Fool's Day. Which of course means we'll get to blame the Democrats for everything. ;)
 
Darla said:
Right wing authoritarians are Libertarians in many cases. There is a huge co-mingling. As a woman, perhaps the authoritarianism inherent in Libertarians is more obvious to me.

Their definition of "freedom" is very narrow indeed.
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You realize their needs to be authoritarians for there to be authoritarians, right? Just how much supervision do you require in order to feel free, anyway?
 
christiefan915 said:
Serious debate rarely happens here. We're all just messing with each other.
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I'm usually quite serious, and there is a lot here that is 100% serious, certainly Krugman's piece. However, ever since the little Nancy boys had a level 10 meltdown, I can't help poking them a bit. They are quite fun. I would like to own one as a pet. But I'd muzzle it of course. No way I am going to listen to that 24/7. I would take the muzzle off for parties and such. You can't buy that kind of entertainment at the Party Store!
 
Darla said:
Right wing authoritarians are Libertarians in many cases. There is a huge co-mingling. As a woman, perhaps the authoritarianism inherent in Libertarians is more obvious to me.

Their definition of "freedom" is very narrow indeed.
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ROFLMAO... thanks for confirming (as if most of us didn't already know) that you have no fucking clue what a Libertarian stands for.
 
Darla said:
But those health risks aside, as long as you don't overindulge, coke isn't going to kill you when you are very young. It's not a big deal.
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Sorry, completely random post here but for sports fans your comment reminded me of Len Bias. He was 22 years old when he was selected number two in the 1986 draft by the Boston Celtics and was a kid who had Hall of Fame potential type talent. The night he was drafted he tried cocaine for the first time and ended up dying. Now considering the number of young people who have tried coke Bias's death is obviously an anamoly but from a sports fan perspective his was definitely a tragic one.
 
Bias suffered from cardiac arrythmia. The combination killed him.
I stopped doing coke after I was diagnosed with the same.
 
I am posting from my phone and have very little time. I would just like to point out that almost all libertarians I have known are rabidly anti choice. Mister freedom loving superfreak wants to force women to carry and give birth to their rapists children. What could be more authoritarian than forcing a woman to give birth to her rapist's baby? Tha answer is, for a woman, nothing. This is why your cries for freedom fall mostly on white male ears and will always ring hollow. Cawacko is the only libertarian I know of on this board who also supports freedom for women.
 
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