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Libyan Prime Minister Ali Zeidan has been seized by armed men from a hotel in the capital, Tripoli.


Zeidan was taken at dawn "by gunmen to an unknown place for unknown reasons", said a statement on the government's website said.


The details of the incident are unclear - sources say Zeidan was arrested, but others say that he had been kidnapped.





http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-24470850
 
A spokesman for the group, known as the Operations Room of Libya's Revolutionaries, said: "His arrest comes after ... (Kerry) said the Libyan government was aware of the operation."

The militia group, which had been hired by the government to provide security in the city, said it had seized Mr Zeidan "on the prosecutor's orders" for "crimes and offences prejudicial to the state" and its security. :palm: :rolleyes: militia rule
 
annata said:
A spokesman for the group, known as the Operations Room of Libya's Revolutionaries, said: "His arrest comes after ... (Kerry) said the Libyan government was aware of the operation."

The militia group, which had been hired by the government to provide security in the city, said it had seized Mr Zeidan "on the prosecutor's orders" for "crimes and offences prejudicial to the state" and its security. :palm: :rolleyes: militia rule
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A friend of mine is going to Tripoli on business in a couple of weeks, Libya is a lot better than say Iraq where over 1000 people were killed last month in bombings etc. They need to get the Libyan Army up and running as quickly as possible, I predict by this time next year most of this shit will be history at least in western Libya, the east may take a little longer. Libya has a lot going for it, not least ancient Roman towns like Leptis Magna and a pristine Mediterranean coastline.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
A friend of mine is going to Tripoli on business in a couple of weeks, Libya is a lot better than say Iraq where over 1000 people were killed last month in bombings etc. They need to get the Libyan Army up and running as quickly as possible, I predict by this time next year most of this shit will be history at least in western Libya, the east may take a little longer. Libya has a lot going for it, not least ancient Roman towns like Leptis Magna and a pristine Mediterranean coastline.
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He'll (proobably) be OK in Tripoli, I'd stay away from the east; especially Bengazi. Utter choas still (need I link it?)
Comparing Libya to Iraq, where sectarian bombings are the norm is a bit disingenuous, the Iraq war broke up Sunni rule, Libya is more about choas caused by lack of a central gov't. More about organized various terrorist grooups seizing local warlord power, and more about milita rule.

"from choas comes order" - I suppose eventually the gov't will coalese, the oil revenue will go to businessmen, and eventually will tricke down to the people.

But this isn't guaranteed -I mean this has been going on since the Qadaffi assassination / "humanitarian war". I don't know when east Libya will settle down, yes.
 
annata said:
He'll (proobably) be OK in Tripoli, I'd stay away from the east; especially Bengazi. Utter choas still (need I link it?)
Comparing Libya to Iraq, where sectarian bombings are the norm is a bit disingenuous, the Iraq war broke up Sunni rule, Libya is more about choas caused by lack of a central gov't. More about organized various terrorist grooups seizing local warlord power, and more about milita rule.

"from choas comes order" - I suppose eventually the gov't will coalese, the oil revenue will go to businessmen, and eventually will tricke down to the people.

But this isn't guaranteed -I mean this has been going on since the Qadaffi assassination / "humanitarian war". I don't know when east Libya will settle down, yes.
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Libya doesn't have any of the sectarian Sunni-Shia crap that they have in Iraq. It just needs to get its shit together and enable a national army to be trained up as soon as possible. The militias will then be given a stark choice to join the army or disband.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-23388474
 
annata said:
He'll (proobably) be OK in Tripoli, I'd stay away from the east; especially Bengazi. Utter choas still (need I link it?)
Comparing Libya to Iraq, where sectarian bombings are the norm is a bit disingenuous, the Iraq war broke up Sunni rule, Libya is more about choas caused by lack of a central gov't. More about organized various terrorist grooups seizing local warlord power, and more about milita rule.

"from choas comes order" - I suppose eventually the gov't will coalese, the oil revenue will go to businessmen, and eventually will tricke down to the people.

But this isn't guaranteed -I mean this has been going on since the Qadaffi assassination / "humanitarian war". I don't know when east Libya will settle down, yes.
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It's not his first time, he provides support on Ericsson mobile phone networks. The Libyan telecoms ministry is expanding WiMAX and rolling out 4G at the moment.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
It's not his first time, he provides support on Ericsson mobile phone networks. The Libyan telecoms ministry is expanding WiMAX and rolling out 4G at the moment.
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providing infrastructure, in essence bringing a society into the modern world, seems to be a viable way to counter "primitive" fundmentalist ( radical Islam's) influence.

I do think you are correct on the eventual outcome, but I am not all that familiar with Libyan society, other then the cursory reads I do.

Libyan prime minister calls for no escalation of tensions after release
http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/1010/479471-libyan-ali-zeidan-/
Libyan Prime Minister Ali Zeidan has given a speech live on television calling on Libyans to avoid escalation of tensions after his release.

Mr Zeidan was earlier freed by a militia group who seized him from a Tripoli hotel this morning.

In his address the prime minister thanked rebels who helped in his release and urged them to join the regular armed forces.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
Libya doesn't have any of the sectarian Sunni-Shia crap that they have in Iraq. It just needs to get its shit together and enable a national army to be trained up as soon as possible. The militias will then be given a stark choice to join the army or disband.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-23388474
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like I said..eventually..but waiting for the gov't to get it's shit together..Qaddafi as a "dictator" did do this - sorta the same Saddam did in Iraq.

The US/NATO war has to take some responsibility for the continued chaos.
 
annata said:
like I said..eventually..but waiting for the gov't to get it's shit together..Qaddafi as a "dictator" did do this - sorta the same Saddam did in Iraq.

The US/NATO war has to take some responsibility for the continued chaos.
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Of course, but Ghaddafi had to go, there was never going to be a better time to do it. Libya, even now, is a hundred times better than under his despotic rule.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
Of course, but Ghaddafi had to go, there was never going to be a better time to do it. Libya, even now, is a hundred times better than under his despotic rule.
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I'm not going to agree with you on this; I've shown you ( and BAC has input extensive research) that Libyan society was more united (at least the cities) under Qaddafi - I know about the prisons, the so called war crimes, but the NTC was not the answer.
Women in gov't - so Qaddafi was a mixed bag.

Recall the NTC did come out of Bengazi, the leadership was "renounced" AQ. etc.

The US/Brits/France are COLONIALISTS - we make it our business to meddle in other smaller countries.

Not going to go blow by blow with you on this - you know the history, as well as I do. You have your interpretation, I look at the outcomes.

So far at least the outcomes aren't so good. we'll see.
 
annata said:
A spokesman for the group, known as the Operations Room of Libya's Revolutionaries, said: "His arrest comes after ... (Kerry) said the Libyan government was aware of the operation."

The militia group, which had been hired by the government to provide security in the city, said it had seized Mr Zeidan "on the prosecutor's orders" for "crimes and offences prejudicial to the state" and its security. :palm: :rolleyes: militia rule
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You may it informative reading all of this brother. It's full of half-truths, but it speaks to the state of American imperialism today.

5 Takeaways from the U.S. Special Ops Raids in Somalia and Libya
http://www.defenseone.com/managemen...-raids-somalia-and-libya/71576/?oref=d-skybox
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
Of course, but Ghaddafi had to go, there was never going to be a better time to do it. Libya, even now, is a hundred times better than under his despotic rule.
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That's a mindlessly ridiculous, easily disproved claim .. but you don't care. You just keep on repeating the same meme now matter how ridiculous it may be.

How is it that you are unable to deal with truth?

How?

Why?
 
Was this latest rendition the brainchild of Democrat presidential frontrunner Hildebeast of Benghazi or her inept replacement Cap'n Swiftboat?
 
Summary


Armed men have kidnapped the Libyan prime minister, Ali Zeidan. Here is a roundup of what is known at present:

• The Libyan government attributed the kidnapping to a group of men believed to be former rebels. It said the head of the transitional government was taken "to an unknown destination for unknown reasons".

• Hours before the abduction Zeidan had met with the family of a Libyan al-Qaida suspect known as Abu Anas al-Libi, who was seized in a US special forces raid on Saturday. The operation provoked anger among Libya's powerful Islamic militant groups and the government was accused of of colluding in or allowing the raid, although it denied having any prior knowledge of the operation.

• Abdel-Moneim al-Hour, an official with the country's "Anti-Crime Committee", told the Associated Press that Zeidan had been arrested on accusations of harming state security and corruption. But the public prosecutor's office said it had issued no warrant for Zeidan's arrest. The government's official website said Zeidan was taken at dawn by a group believed to be "revolutionaries" from a security agency known as the Anti-Crime Committee.

• A government official said two guards abducted with Zeidan were beaten but later released.

• The Libyan cabinet held an emergency meeting on Thursday morning, headed by Zeidan's deputy, Abdel-Salam al-Qadi.

• US state department spokeswoman Jen Psaki, travelling in Brunei with the secretary of state, John Kerry, said:


We are looking into these reports and we are in close touch with senior US and Libyan officials on the ground
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...idan-seized-by-gunmen-live-updates?CMP=twt_gu

summary for those interested: the kidnapping is now making sense as 'blowback' from the snatch and grab of Abu Anas al-liby
 
Americans need to be under no illusion that any of this has to do with caring for Libyans. The only objective they need worry about is stability in the sense that America or Americans are not being attacked. Otherwise, the Muslim vionence against Muslims is nothing more than a spinoff that will be allowed to continue.

Unfortunately, none of the ME countries where violence persists are interested in anything but killing more Americans in revenge for US aggression in their countries.

This is why Obama's calming influence is so important. HIllary won't be the same.
 
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